Evolution versus Creationism

Uh, if it is "evident" to only some, it is then not self-evident.

Some convenient philosophy you have there:
If I think it is true, it is therefore a universal truth and anyone who disagrees is "blind"!

Mercy, and you consider yourself superior to other animals! Thinking like that isn't superior to plants.
 
That's the most reasonable scientific explanation of a vast amount of evidence, most of which you've never even heard of and have no interest in learning. As for posting nonsense from those ignoramuses at the AnswersinGenesis website, why would anyone believe those liars? They have no understanding of science.
 
Just thought I'd pop in and offer some more evidence for Archie to completely ignore.

Try the Eusthenopteron.

You should visit this place. It is not far from me, and has all sorts of interesting stuff that would blow your mind (assuming yours hasn't wasted away from log time inactivity).

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Maybe you should use logic instead of blind faith? To answer a question as to the existance of God you may want to consider: If he/she/it does exist would he/she/it condone the incalculable amount of slaughter that has and still is being perpetrated in the NAME OF RELIGION?
Is it a conscionable god that slaughters millions Jews, gypsies and countless other unwanted undesirables (including INNOCENT babies and children of these unwanted undesirables)...or the unwanted Chinese, Vietnamese, Turks, etc. Etc. Etc. Let
 
Bacteria, like all organisms, mutate for a variety of reasons, but most often due to changes in their environment - like exposure to anti-biotics for instance.
One, and I'm only giving one example here, of a human evolutionary trait is tails.
Human beings retain the genetic code for vestigial tails. We have additional genes that "turn off" the coding so that most people do not actually have tails. However, the coccyx, or tailbone, is the remnant of a "lost" tail.
All mammals have a tail at one point in their development. In humans, it is present for a period of 4 weeks, during stages 14 to 22 of human embryonic development. This tail is most visible in human embryos 31-35 days old. The tailbone, (at the end of the spine), was no longer needed to assist with balance and mobility. It still serves some secondary functions, such as being an attachment point for muscles, which explains why it has not degraded further. (Natural selection - evolution)
Since tails are part of our genetic code, and part of our embryonic development, why would God have made that little detail if He actually fashioned us out of "dirt".
Doesn't it make more sense that He guided the process of evolution, and when we were "ready" gave us our immortal souls "in His image?"
 
Well yes. Everything we believe in this world is based on faith. Nothing can ever be known for sure.



Not quite. You are using two forms of faith as one. UK's faith is not the same as your's. Do we know the sun will rise tomorrow? Not 100%, but based on historical data we are pretty sure. That's still faith. Your faith is something different, a belief in something without evidence entirely. You can't consider one faith that is based on reasonable assurances from history to be the same as a faith that has absolutely no empirical evidence.



Well that all depenRAB on what you define as "provable." I see science producing the wonders around me and the Modern World as evidence that its assumptions are indeed correct. After all, how can a incorrect assumption used time and time again be false when it leaRAB to tangible products such as petroleum deposits? How can the scientific methoRAB be unprovable when it is the foundation for the various new lines of products we enjoy daily? Does not the fact that these items exist prove that the scientific method is in fact viable, true and provable?



Then could you explain how all of these new products and the basis for the Modern World came about if the methoRAB we base our beliefs on aren't accurate or reliable? Are you saying that the atomic bombs we used on the Japanese didn't work?



Of course.



I recall that you did not want to address this issue when it was in the context of gasoline. Why do you keep using that argument when you deliberately want to avoid a discussion on it?



Which creator? Who's creator? And the foundation for life has been created in a lab, essentially by accident.



So God was the foundation for all of the advances?
 
Yes; because God gave it to us as His guide for living within His will. And if He is Truly God then He is worthy of that honor, trust and respect. By rejecting Him and His precepts we are elevating ourselves above Him and making ourselves like Him. According to His spiritual laws that is blasphemy and all who claim science over faith are guilty of that.
 
Not really. He seems to merely have a bit of knowledge about his sick, perverted version of god, but beyond that, his posts go to show that either he is lying about claim of being in his 50's, or he simply has not recieved any sort of education.
 
all these passages demonstrate that christianity is based on faith that cannot be reconciled through physical or observable evidence. one is required to have faith in an entity who, by christians own admission, does not respond to requests for favors in any predictable way. its is as though, even if one is full of faith, it doesnt guarantee favor from god. neither is there a relation between misfortune and disbelief.

for example, in the passage from 2 peter, it says that the lord delivers the righteous out of temptations. in reality, this is not the case. the righteous is just as prone to temptations, trials, disaster and destruction as the unrighteous. in fact, often people remark that the sinners are rewarded more for their wisdom because they seize opportunities that the righteous procrastinate on on the grounRAB of "waiting on god". reality has shown that the righteous are not positioned advantagously or "more blessed" than any other group.

my concern, in evaluating whether religion is worth considering, is whether the promises of god are reliable. they certainly seem to be very unreliable. blessings and tragedies come to people in a very haphazard manner, with no correlation whatsoever between one's belief system and the type of benefits or calamities that come their way. so if god cannot make good on his promises in this lifetime while i can witness them, what makes me think he'll suddenly become reliable in his end of his promises when i die and cannot witness?
 
actually, in my view, the problem of evolution to creation is minor compared to the problem of creation to creation. believing in a system where creation is the foundation of your entire faith is actually much more a threat than whatever evolutionists or atheists can throw at you

christianity is greatly bible based. the bible begins with genesis for a reason: it introduces god as one of infinite power in manipulating and shaping the world, and it introduces man as a creature beset with sin and in need of reconciliation. remove either one of these pillars and christianity falls flat.

if we look at genesis through object lens and compare it to facts, we find that god didnt create the world in 6 days less than 10000 years ago. the world is much older. the period in which dinosaurs lived and died was much longer than a single day. moreso, why would god create millions of creatures (living beasts of the land) and then wipe them out all within a few hours then create man? if not, when within the genesis timeline did dinosaurs live?

to me, the greatest problem and threat to creation is creation itself. even if there was no notion about evolution, how could we reconcile creation as a valid belief in the face of all these contrary facts?
 
You can edit my posts all you like and refuse to acknowledge a valid question because your religion can't answer it but that doesn't mean I can't keep asking. So I repeat...

But how obvious child like of you to handle it by completely evading the valid question that if no God exists, then why in all of the billions of years that Time and Space has existed and expanded to the size that it is; and with all of the uncountable Planets in all of the uncountable Galaxies that envelop all of the uncountable Solar Systems, why oh why hasn't life spontaneously erupted on any other Planets except this one if your religion of evolution is the true answer to our origin?

I know you will in typical fashion evade the question like the philosophical coward that you are but I would hope that for once you would at least try to honestly answer a question rather than just maneuver yourself into feeling like you won something. But I understand that you can't answer it without admitting that you worship at the feet of a man made false science that has no real answers at all. ​
 
We don't know if it has or hasn't. It's only 12 years ago that we first identified a planet outside of our own solar system.
http://astro.berkeley.edu/~gmarcy/encarta.html
Remember what we've learned about light years of late? The distances are immense, even to nearby stars. What are the chances that we'll find life on the nearest handfull of stars?
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/extra/nearest.html
One wonders why any god would create such a vast universe and populate only one planet. What would be the point? Why even bother creating stars and galaxies beyond the range of our ability to see them?
 
OK of curse creation is out of reality becuz God is out side of realty at least are's we can not comprehend it but if you think about it ,it will make sence if you keep your mind open . and Listen .


I vote Creation .
 
But Geology is a fairy tale! Don't you know? Modern science is a lie meant to steal all of our money! Geologists don't do anything. Welfare bums! Angels give us oil and coal. God powers my iPod. Don't you know? Science is a scam and angelic prayer is the reason why the heater works! (if you can't tell that's massive sarcastic mockery of a nameless user this is a wake up call).
 
hu ummm yeah ok I quote from Narnia seems to come to my head right now

{he's not a tame lion }

but still how can you say all this universe came from nothing
 
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