End the Drug War

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Link to legitimate study that shows proof of this?





While it probably is, we aren't discussing that.




Yes.
 
Hey DE, just because I support social programs doesn't mean I support raising taxes (or in conservatard speak - re-distributing wealth). I'm perfectly happy to gut the military to achieve budgetary stability.
 
I guess some people are going to Darwin themselves when legalization occurs. The current way of doing things is causing international instability. Why do you think Mexico is a shit hole? Why do you think the inner city is fucked? Because people are willing to kill each other to make shit loads of money.
 
Other than the 95% figure probably is too high, I don't see at all what you're getting at. 5% of all Americans equals 19 million people, and that's people who are currently using drugs. You're making comparisons with statistics of people who have tried cocaine in the past but aren't necessarily doing it now. You're still not making a lick of sense.
 
It was. First I had to recall the very religious high school I went to. Then I thought about what the teachers would say. Then I had to deduct 50 IQ points off of that, and write what my very religious mother in law would say.

In the final analysis, there is no question people shouldn't be allowed to decide these issues for themselves.
 
I agree with you, but it's the money drugs generate, and the people and organizations that profit from the illegal status, that will stop them being legalized.
 
not that it was going to happen in any of our lifetimes, but the HC reform definitely lowers the microscopic chance that the feds would ever ease up on their drug policies :/
 
Even stopthewar.org admits that legalization doesn't have support.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2008/feb/18/rule_1_of_drug_legalization_is_d



It "lacks political viability" AND sensibility, of course.

Why isn't there any discussion about reforming sentences given to the possession of drugs. And people conveniently ignore the very successful program of medical marijuana, which I support. Why not spend effort to expand that program? But they ignore it because it doesn't fit in with their unrealistic agenda. Not once can I remember anyone here speaking in favor of reform of the law or support of medical marijuana.

http://publicaffairs.ucla.edu/mark-ar-kleiman
 
The war on poverty and the war on racism are not fights for the government.

The war on drugs and the war on fat are vessels of government oppression. The war on drugs and the war on fat are oppresive prohibition wars. The war on poverty and the war racism are wars that MUST be fought by the people. Perhaps the government can stir up action and movement and initiate change in social perspectives of the people, but shouldn't force anyone to do anything. I've said time and time agian on this forum, our federal government is crap as it stands. The methodology it uses to provoke change is piss poor at best.
 
From the same site:

I assure you, the new administration's more tolerant approach to medical marijuana didn't happen because Obama is particularly concerned about the plight of seriously ill patients caught in the drug war's indiscriminate crossfire. It happened because it's no longer politically viable to overturn the will of voters in the war on marijuana.
Sure, we'll continue to hear the drug czar whining from time to time about the perils of legalization, but if Californians decide to go through with it, don't expect a federal occupation in the streets of Oaksterdam. Obama's base is decidedly supportive of marijuana reform, thus he has nothing to gain and a considerable hassle to endure should he be foolish enough to stand between Californians and their cannabis.
 
So let me see if I understand...you are willing to force him to pay taxes for things you support, while being willing to cut the things you believe he supports. Yet you believe he is an idiot for being willing to force you to pay taxes for things you don't support and cut things you do support?
 
But doesn't that work both ways: legalize and tax, quality and price control, less spent on the legal system/lock up. Wouldn't it be worth it to drive the leeches of illegality out of business; a real shift in power to doing what's right; that being what the founding fathers imagined we would at least try to accomplish.
 
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