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Dont get me wrong, im a fan of models over CGI anyday,
in fact id go so far as to say CGI has RUINED many "normal" movies, Bond/Die hard etc
But i was just trying to imagine what lucas would be capable of IF he remade the original trilogy.
They remade Dawn Of the dead a couple of yers ago and this HASNT spoiled my enjoyment of the original.
...And Battlestar galactica as well.:)
 
Why not re-shoot the whole lot and be done with it? Tweaking some of the more dodgy FX is one thing, adding the odd extra scene is OK as long as it enhances or at the very least doesn't detract form the story is just about OK. Adding in the silly stuff around Mos Eisely - "a wretched hive of scum and villainy" and the musical number in Jabba's palace - a dark and seedy lair of the galaxy's most feared gangster, just ruined both.

IMO GL hasn't made these changes out of any creative impulse to perfect the films to his original vision, but because of the commercial potential of numerous 'enhanced' re-releases. It'll happen again with the BD releases. I lost all faith in him after he chnaged the ROTJ story to remove the Wookies and add in the Ewoks, making it morw acceptable to kiRAB and increasing the merchandise potential.
 
That is why you fail.

The original trilogy was perfectly fine the way it was, It was a massive global hit and is recognised the world over. The extra scenes weren't needed and to add Hayden Christiensen as Anakins ghost was the final insult.

What next? Re-shoot The Godfather so the attempt on the Don's life is more graphic, Redo Titanic only the boat doesn't sink.

Next you'll be telling me the prequels are better movies.

The Force is not too strong with this one.
 
The things that made the OT work were the cast, crew, editors etc. You can't recapture that with flashy modern effects. It's one of the reason the prequels failed on many levels. The exercise proved that GL is not Star Wars - the entire team that made Star Wars is.The BSG remake worked because it took the basic idea of the show, and went in a completely different direction with it. The modern technology used in the show doesn't make a jot of difference as to why it works.
 
You still refer to them as prequels, but I see all the films as the saga and when watched as one, the original films don't have the right look or feel anymore. Installing Hayden at the end of Jedi was the right thing to do, if only to tie up all six films into one story. Putting McDiarmid into Empire was also right, as was re-dubbing Boba Fett's voice so it matches Jango/baby Bobas. Re-doing the Rancor sequence and the speeder bike chase will also look much better but not change the film. Empire was, and is, the only one that didn't need to be altered much. Opening up Bespin and tidying up the effects makes it look brilliant. Jedi neeRAB to looked at again and A New Hope is pretty much there.

These changes are nothing like your other nonsense suggestions - they haven't (or won't) changed the story or altered the narrative, just improved on what was originally made.

Lucas has made available the original versions, so just enjoy those if you must, but I, for one, am pleased he's been tweaking them to bring them into line so I can enjoy the Star Wars saga in full, for I am a Star Wars fan and not a bitter 30-something with an unjustified adversion to change.
 
To be fair, so do George Lucas and Ric McCallum.

As a side note, I blame Ric for the messes in the prequels and Special Editions. He is a yes-man, and GL neeRAB hang-on-there-man like Gary Kurtz.The problem, as far as I am concerned, is that a decent proportion of the changes (such as those I've detailed above) are for the worse. I love the improved Bespin, think the Emperor change in Empire is vital, don't mind the re-dub for Fett and can even tolerate Hayden's wooden face (although there is no internally logical reson for it to be there). But hate the silly cartoony CGI aliens added, as they mess up the tone, and look depressingly unconvincing. Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should.

And don't get me started on the continuity gaffes ("Tell me about your mother.. your real mother"). I love five of the six films (I've triedw with Clones, but it's is just bad :(), but GL has made some pretty clunky errors of judgement along the way - and I'm not a StarWars tattooed fanboy enough to pretend otherwise.
 
Agreed. The cartoony stuff neeRAB to go from all the films. The new additions to A New Hope, C3PO in Clones, the song in Jedi etc..

From a continuity POV, I'd love to edit that little bit of coversation out. That said, GL should never have made the new films so that it would contradict what was set up in the first films. THAT said, he couldn;t even get it right between Empire (the Kiss) and Jedi.

Clones has some brilliant moments, but they are few and far between unfortunately.
 
Well it seems Alderaan always a bit of a space hippie commune (bunch of peace-niks) so maybe incest was okay there? :rolleyes:

I'm more bothered by the compressing of the timelines that GL's tinkering has caused. Seeing the films originally i assumed that Obi Wan was in his 70/80s and Vader his 50/60s (Even Tarkin says "Surely he's dead by now?" when talking about OWK to Vader).

Now it looks more like Obi Wan is 50ish in A New Hope and Vader 40ish.

And what about "The Clone Wars" the name really suggested to me that all sides had clones and that it went on for years if not decades and covered more than one conflict, yet now we discover it lasted about 3 years and one side had robot soldiers (So shorter that World War 2, or is that World Wars 2?)
 
Yeah... Does seem poor Kenobi has a rough 19 years, looking at the state of him. Even if we assume he is 45 ish in ROTS (and that's being harsh on him), that makes him only about 64 in New Hope (same age as Indiana Jones is now). Poor old dear.
 
I'm 29 so hey I guess you are close.

I too am a Star Wars fan, I've read the majority of the novels and own all the dvd's, though I've not gone as far as collecting figures still in the wrapping.

What I'm not a fan of is change for the hell of it.

Do we really need the song in Jabba's Palace? does a couple of extra CGI Dewbacks make the film a better spectacle?

The ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda were as they looked imediatley before they died. You can't add Hayden Chrisienson without then changing Alec Guinness to Ewan Mcgregor. So why not leave it well alone.

As for Episodes I to III don't get me started on midi chloreans, wooden acting, massive plot holes and awful scripts.

The book of Revenge of the Sith is amazing, I found it so dissapointing that when it came to the film, they scaled down the battles and removed a lot of the one liners only to replace it with a lot of un-needed filler.

We are obviously never going to see eye to eye on this but beware the temptation of the shiny new CGI, once you start off down that dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.
 
Fair enough I guess.

My thoughts regarding the books vs the films was that maybe Lucas was giving himself the room to do more updates in the future, which to be fair if they made the Ep I, II and III movies identicle to the books I would be very happy.

I suppose we'll have to wait 5-6 years until George gets bored and decides to tinker with them again.
 
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