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Ducati v.s Aprilia v.s MV Agusta v.s Japanese bikes Maintenance Costs
- Thread starter GIBOS
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...and there is mis-communication #6...
i use the term "brother" meaning that you and i are both men, with the same blood, bones, muscles, and sinews that God himself created...i use the term "brother" because we should look to our similarities and not our differences...i use the term brother because we are both stubborn italian men...i use the term brother so that there may be mutual respect as we keep our distance...i use the term brother so that you and i can co-exist on the same forum...i use the term brother in the same way an native american indian would call any elder "grandfather"...
there is no need to be a trigger ready to be pulled with me...nor should there be any need for either of us to explain our selves any further...but if you find it offensive that i use the term "brother", than i have only 2 choices if you continue to take my gesture for peace between us in a continually aggressive manor...
#1) i can leave the forum...
#2) it is not necessary for me to mention...
i come to this forum to learn about ducati...but it is not necessary for me to stay...
i wish you well...from my heart, i wish you well
peace
i use the term "brother" meaning that you and i are both men, with the same blood, bones, muscles, and sinews that God himself created...i use the term "brother" because we should look to our similarities and not our differences...i use the term brother because we are both stubborn italian men...i use the term brother so that there may be mutual respect as we keep our distance...i use the term brother so that you and i can co-exist on the same forum...i use the term brother in the same way an native american indian would call any elder "grandfather"...
there is no need to be a trigger ready to be pulled with me...nor should there be any need for either of us to explain our selves any further...but if you find it offensive that i use the term "brother", than i have only 2 choices if you continue to take my gesture for peace between us in a continually aggressive manor...
#1) i can leave the forum...
#2) it is not necessary for me to mention...
i come to this forum to learn about ducati...but it is not necessary for me to stay...
i wish you well...from my heart, i wish you well
peace
rusty_nutss
New member
No need for you to leave the forum, enjoyee you conversations and let us try to keep it real, will ya?
wwe diva Maria
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Hmmm... about the thread.
I've got a couple of Jap bikes, a couple of Ducati's and an MV. Here's what I've found.
The Ducati's come in two variants. 2 valve and 4 valve. The 2 valve motors are bulletproof and easy to work on. You don't really have to do any of the recommended service on the air cooled 2 valves. I've got a buddy that sport tours on a Multistrada and he's skipped all of the valve services and has about 30K miles, still runs great.
The 4 valves seem to need service a lot more often or they begin running progressively rougher. The intervals are important for at least the first two and the service cost is a total rip off.
the jap bikes, I don't think they have a valve service? No desmo valves and a chain driven cam shaft means, no service. I've never serviced a jap bike and I think you're supposed to just run them until you crash them, sell them or junk them.
The MV, it has some wacky costs and maintenance schedules. I have no idea why? I think you can safely skip it all since the bike will be in for emergency service often enough.
I've got a couple of Jap bikes, a couple of Ducati's and an MV. Here's what I've found.
The Ducati's come in two variants. 2 valve and 4 valve. The 2 valve motors are bulletproof and easy to work on. You don't really have to do any of the recommended service on the air cooled 2 valves. I've got a buddy that sport tours on a Multistrada and he's skipped all of the valve services and has about 30K miles, still runs great.
The 4 valves seem to need service a lot more often or they begin running progressively rougher. The intervals are important for at least the first two and the service cost is a total rip off.
the jap bikes, I don't think they have a valve service? No desmo valves and a chain driven cam shaft means, no service. I've never serviced a jap bike and I think you're supposed to just run them until you crash them, sell them or junk them.
The MV, it has some wacky costs and maintenance schedules. I have no idea why? I think you can safely skip it all since the bike will be in for emergency service often enough.
Lots of bad info here.
4V Ducatis tend to hold their valve clearances better than the 2V engines, unless they have been beaten to death.
Skipping all the valve services on any bike is bad. I always perform the first two services and if the valve clearances don't change, then I skip the every other valve check interval and check them when I change belts. I also change all the fluids at the recommended intervals.
Japanese bikes have valve adjustment intervals, it is just that most people ignore them, leading to a false perception that maintenance is less.
MVs don't have wacky costs and maintenance schedules. They are the same as the Japanese inline 4 engines. It is just that people who buy them tend to actually do the service.
As far as MV reliability and build quality, they are outstanding.
4V Ducatis tend to hold their valve clearances better than the 2V engines, unless they have been beaten to death.
Skipping all the valve services on any bike is bad. I always perform the first two services and if the valve clearances don't change, then I skip the every other valve check interval and check them when I change belts. I also change all the fluids at the recommended intervals.
Japanese bikes have valve adjustment intervals, it is just that most people ignore them, leading to a false perception that maintenance is less.
MVs don't have wacky costs and maintenance schedules. They are the same as the Japanese inline 4 engines. It is just that people who buy them tend to actually do the service.
As far as MV reliability and build quality, they are outstanding.
All_Time_Girl
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i agree with everything silentbob has said. i dont know many people who take there jap bikes in for service and on the other hand almost everyone i know take there exotics if you will for every service in some cases early. i dont think it is ignorance on the jap bike riders side as much as it is pride for the people who have high end italian bikes. i may be off base on this because i know there are some stupid people who ride and dont even check the oil or tire pressure but thats just the laws of averages.
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bonesobsessed212
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"If it aint broken, it's all good."
Wow, you sure are an antagonistic S-O-B.
WTF???? Do you mean, by "beaten to death" that someone has opened the throttle? There is such a large body of evidence that the ducati 2 valves require almost no maintenance that it's absolutely loony to sugest the 4 valve superbikes don't absolutely need constant re shimming. And that they don't run like crap as soon as they get out of spec.
Wow, do you use a scott oiler too? Because if you don't you're obviously neglecting your bike.
You are absolutely full of it. I just checked the recommended service interval on an R6 for the valve adjustment. It's once every 26,600 miles (40,000km) how many people even hit that mileage on their Jap bike? Much less hit it twice? Anyways, the cost for that service is 340 dollars according to Fun Bike center. And get this, they almost never peform it according to them. It took them 10 minutes to even figure out how much it would cost since they so rarely do it. Unfortunately, there's no charge for belts SINCE JAP BIKES DON'T HAVE BELTS
In any case, how are you going to say that that information creates a "false perception" that maintenance is less???!?!?
As for the MV's. You're completely talking out of your ass. Anyone can call a dealer and ask for the price of service etc... It's readily available information. The 600 mile service is about 1000 dollars. Every 7500 miles is another valve check and another 1000 bucks. Although, many people skip the valve check on the first 600 mile service.
Again, this isn't opinion here, just take the time to call a dealer or ask someone who actually owns the bike.
WTF???? Do you mean, by "beaten to death" that someone has opened the throttle? There is such a large body of evidence that the ducati 2 valves require almost no maintenance that it's absolutely loony to sugest the 4 valve superbikes don't absolutely need constant re shimming. And that they don't run like crap as soon as they get out of spec.
Wow, do you use a scott oiler too? Because if you don't you're obviously neglecting your bike.
You are absolutely full of it. I just checked the recommended service interval on an R6 for the valve adjustment. It's once every 26,600 miles (40,000km) how many people even hit that mileage on their Jap bike? Much less hit it twice? Anyways, the cost for that service is 340 dollars according to Fun Bike center. And get this, they almost never peform it according to them. It took them 10 minutes to even figure out how much it would cost since they so rarely do it. Unfortunately, there's no charge for belts SINCE JAP BIKES DON'T HAVE BELTS
In any case, how are you going to say that that information creates a "false perception" that maintenance is less???!?!?
As for the MV's. You're completely talking out of your ass. Anyone can call a dealer and ask for the price of service etc... It's readily available information. The 600 mile service is about 1000 dollars. Every 7500 miles is another valve check and another 1000 bucks. Although, many people skip the valve check on the first 600 mile service.
Again, this isn't opinion here, just take the time to call a dealer or ask someone who actually owns the bike.
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ALFREDOB and I just got thru some issues but we ended up being cool with everything and ended up as friends...
so...DAGOR6 meet SILENTBOB, SILENTBOB this is DAGOR6...i look forward to hearing how you two went camping together or something
ha ha ha LOL
peace