Dreamworks Animation

trunks2kawaii

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The recent thread on "Oobermind" made me wonder what people thought of this company around here. I know it's one of the most popular pinatas in other places over the internet, but I've always felt it was (slightly) underrated. They've rarely progressed beyond being a "poor man's Pixar" but their movies can be quite fun.

I'd have to say their top performances for me were in Shrek, Kung Fu Panda, and Antz; they were at their worst with Sinbad and Shark Tale.
 
I myself like most of their movie (Shark Tale is the only one I don't care for). I still haven't seen Madgascar 2, Monsters vs. Aliens, Flushed Away, and Kung Fu Panda are the their only movies that I haven't seen.

I noticed that most of their movies were more "serious" until about the time Shrek arrived.
 
When Antz came on the other night I watched the whole thing. That movie was honestly treading PG-13 territory, but since it's a cartoon it managed the PG rating. Dreamworks has always had the rep for being the more risque animation studio.
 
The only scene I remember from Antz was when that one ant got vaporized by the magnifying glass. So yeah, it wasn't that good but it sure wasn't "typical" either in that regard.
 
I've been thinking about DreamWorks a lot lately. If Pixar is the studio that's always looking to try something new, then Dreamworks is the studio that's always looking to try absolutely nothing new. The only thing they did that was even remotely clever was Shrek, but I don't consider the original film to be the brilliant medium-defining masterpiece that a lot of people made it out to be. It's mediocre at best, with maybe a few exchanges here and there that make me laugh (the "ogres are like onions" scene is pretty chuckle-worthy, for instance). And then it broke box office records and Katzenberg ordered six sequels, and the already middling quality plummeted like a brick.

As for everything else, unengaging stories and groan-inducing humor are par for the course. Once in a while, they make something that's fairly entertaining, but you've got to sift through a lot of boring fluff and meaningless pop culture jokes to get to it. And don't get me started on the character designs. If they're not bland and uninspired (Bee Movie, Over the Hedge), they're downright ugly (Antz, Shark Tale, Madagascar). Even their 2-D movies like The Prince of Egypt, Road to El Dorado, and Sinbad all look the same. It's an epidemic of the mid-'90s animation boom - everyone tried to mimic the Disney drawing style, but Disney doesn't have a unified drawing style. Aladdin didn't look like Pocahontas, which didn't look like Mulan, which didn't look like Atlantis: The Lost Empire, which looked nothing like Lilo and Stitch. But you can identify a DreamWorks movie just by looking at it, and when you're bogged down by that sameness of design, it takes you out of whatever there is of the story.

And then there's the matter of casting. I know using celebrities for animated features is nothing new - Disney did it as far back as the 1940s, and even Pixar does it for pretty much all their films. But the key difference is that Pixar goes for celebrities whose voices and performances fit the character they're playing. Tim Allen's booming self-confident baritone is perfect for Buzz Lightyear. Ellen DeGeneres' peppy bouncy delivery is ideal for Dory. David Hyde Pierce's erudite manner fits Slim like a glove. Even Larry the Cable Guy's backwards Southern drawl was the perfect match for Mater. But with DreamWorks, you get the sense that they cast the voices first and then created the characters. We've got Woody Allen, so make Z neurotic. We've got Eddie Murphy, so make Donkey a fast-talker. We've got Jack Black, so make Lenny a quirky lug. Pixar promotes its movies based on the character interaction; DreamWorks promotes its movies based on who's behind the microphone.

DreamWorks makes movies by committee. They think about what'll make the most money and reach the most profitable demographics, not about what'll tell the best story or create the most endearing characters. And for that, I have very little respect for them. Anybody can make an animated movie; it takes real talent and effort to make a good one. DreamWorks could put in that effort, but they're content to take the easy way out. Look at it this way - if I had the choice of watching a marathon of either Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Cars, Ratatouille, Wall-E, and Up or Antz, Shrek, Shark Tale, Shrek 2, Madagascar, Over the Hedge, Shrek the Third, Bee Movie, Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa, and Monsters Vs. Aliens, I'd watch the former group of films, hands down, because I know I'd be in for a fun and memorable ride. With DreamWorks, it's not just mediocrity, it's uneven mediocrity...with every character raising an eyebrow and begging for you to get the joke.
 
You my friend are so correct. Dreamworks films at best are mediocre (Kung Fu Panda). While Pixar films at their worst aren't really even bad (A Bugs Life).
 
Dreamworks movies are no where near as good as Pixar films, but I still tend to enjoy them.
Over the Hedge and Kung Fu Panda being my favorite CG movies they've done.
 
One of my teachers at my old elementary school in Arizona's daughter worked for DreamWorks. I remember she showed up one day and showed us some scenes from The Road to El Dorado before it was released. She wrote a book, too, but I can't remember what her name was for the life of me...

Anyway, I don't hate Dreamworks as much as the rest of the forum but I certainly don't like them very much either. Their 2D films were good, as were Chicken Run and Bee Movie. Shrek and Madagascar have very few redeeming qualities, but kids like them, and isn't that their goal? They aren't made for people over 13, let alone animation nerds like most of the people on this forum. Yeah, Pixar proves that you can make a damned good movie which appeals to both children and adults alike, but Dreamworks isn't trying to do that. They're trying to make a successful product, aimed at kids. And they generally do that. I don't bother going to see their films anymore because, well... I'm too old to be watching movies about a panda who does kung fu and makes pop culture references. It's just not that entertaining to me anymore. But if it entertains kids, what the hell, why be against it? It's doing its job.
 
Is their stuff really aimed mostly to kids though? The dialogue and situations in a lot of their movies tend to fly right over their heads.
 
M'kay, care to elaborate on that? WHY do you feel that Dreamworks' movies are better than Pixar's?


Seeing as youre the first poster here to avowedly place Dreamworks over Pixar in quality, some explanation would make for good feedback and discussion rather than just dropping a vague opinion on us with no articulate reasoning behind it.
 
I think both are capable of success and failures, though circumstances have meant I've seen more Pixar movies than Dreamworks ones. But I loved Bee Movie and would place it as my favorite CGI movie since Toy Story.
 
That's more or less how I feel. I have enjoyed films from both studios; each of them has produced movies that I've enjoyed, and movies that I haven't enjoyed so much. It's just that (for me anyway) Pixar has an overall higher success ratio, and of the 2, Pixar is more willing to innovate and break formulas.
 
True. I get the distinct impression that Dreamworks is often TRYING to appeal to both adults and kids and failing.



Fair point. Toy Story 2 was fun, but didn't really do anything the original hadn't already done, Finding Nemo and Ratatouille were uneven at best, and Cars? I'm sorry, but Cars was just kind of bad.

I think even Pixar's "failures" tend to be more watchable than the average movie, though, and leaps and bounds above Dreamworks' worst films. And when your best films are on the level of something like WallE, I'm definitely willing to forgive a couple of relatively forgettable films.
 
You make a lot of terrific points there... none that are going to make me dislike Shrek, but terrific ones nevertheless.

You know what Dreamworks really reminds me of at the moment? Don Bluth. In my opinion, they are capable of matching Pixar film for film; true, I'd rather watch a Pixar marathon than a Dreamworks, but I'd also rather watch Kung Fu Panda than Finding Nemo, and I'd enjoy Shrek more than I'd enjoy Ratatouille. They could do it, but theyy've chosen to settle for a safe, profitable, second-place.... just like Bluth did with Disney in the 80's, except without the "profitable" part.
 
Harsh? I never believed those who said that the majority of our community hated DreamWorks, but I guess that it?s true after all. However, I?m rather fond of their movies. What matters most is that they?re enjoyable, but contrary to popular belief, many of their movies do have heart. They?re not just 90 minutes of celebrity voices making pop-culture references? Speaking of which?Then you should watch ?Kung Fu Panda?, because it didn?t have many pop-culture references. In fact, I?m hard pressed to even remember one pop-culture reference, unless I count the song in the end credits. I honestly believe that ?Kung Fu Panda? was up to the Pixar level of quality, and honestly, I?m glad it dominated the Annies. I was a bit upset at first, but after seeing all of the replies in this thread, I had a change of heart.
 
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