DPP issue "maybe"?

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I just changed my install from two single "legacy" LNB's and 2 SW21's to a DPP and a "seperator". SW21's were at the dish. I used the same 2 cable runs and now on 82 I've got very poor signal strength on "all" even transponders and most odds except 11. I would guess I can receive only 70% of the HD content. Signal strength, rain fade etc were never an issue with the twins. I removed the seperator and went to a single feed on tuner 1 on my 9200 and nothing improved. I'm a bit lost here! I've had DSS since '94 and have done all my own installs. The twins had been in use since a DishNet install since '94. I thought it was time to just tune it up. 91 is fine on both my 5900 and my 9200. I would have thought eliminating 4 connections might have improved signal performance. I've swapped the cables from machine to machine with the same results. Bad DPP? Ideas or recomendations?

What transponders do I need to concern myself with on 82? CBS-E on 32 is for sure a "no go" or very sporatic.
 
The DPP twin does work and I didn't notice any drop in signal strength. I have since switched to DPP twin and DPP 44 switch which works the same as well.

The most common problems are the copper pin being too short. It should stick out a good 3mm, 1/8".

The metal braiding touching the copper wire.

I am assuming you have done check switch. If not. The best is to disconnect any lnb and switch so the receiver recognizes nothing. Then connect to DPP and do a check switch.

If everything is fine above the DPP twin could be slightly different than the 2 lnbs before it. I would tweak your dish a bit to see if it improves.

If no dice there. I would have to say it is the separator or lnb.

Goodluck.

Joe
 
Just why do people change the LNB's and switch's for models that are not supported by Express Vu.

If Ex Vu change the software to one that will not handle your "custom" equipment you will be cursing and swearing at Express Vu demanding restitution......

Use Legacy equipment, it must be the best stuff to use because I have a warehouse full of the darned stuff..........

Nimiq 1
 
Thanks for the response and the pin length is correct. The f-connectors at the dish are the same, they've been there since I think '01. The connectors and cables inside weren't changed either! What area would you look at first to "tweak" with the dish, elevation, skew or azimuth? Do you maybe know which transponders I need to me concerned with or maybe WHICH "ONE" to use as a primary signal indicator?
 
I've not and wouldn't "Cuss & Fuss" Bell - The "equipment" DOES support the DPP or it wouldn't give you the proper "check switch" summary when you complete the reset and the "check switch"! Bell may "NOT" but the equipment does!
Custom, I don't think so...more sophisticated "maybe"...a bit temper-mental "maybe"...requires maybe a tweak or two in "pointing" again "maybe". Final results "maybe" more stable signal. I've got DishPro LNB's and a DishPro switch also but with just the two receivers I thought this the more desireable combination.
Who knows it could be a "legacy" install again in maybe 30 minutes.
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"Nimiq 1" - I just read your post over and I see your reference--"if Bell changes software"..you're correct there and the "legacy install" would be like I mentioned a 30 minute or less reversal!!!!
 
I use a Legacy Quad which in theory Bell doesn't know exists rather than sw44 that requires a power source.

Cheaper and more convenient. At the same time, if there is an unlikely scenerio that I would need to get the "proper" equipment.
 
Since your dish is setup already. Some 91W transponders are weaker than others. I just checked and 12 is a high one so you can use that one.

I would set your skew first then get 91 high. Usually this is enough to get a pretty good 82 signal. I compromised a bit since I mainly cared about HD so tweaked 82 a bit higher.

In the GTA area (from memory) skew 97 which is just a slight turn. Elevation 40.

Even though the connectors have worked in the past they may be the problem now.

The easiest would be to tweak dish. I recommend putting 3 marks on dish just in case you start moving around too much and lose your connection. One marking for current skew, elevation and location on pole (turning).

Joe
 
Nimiq 1,

hint of sarcasim? :)

DP and DPP equipment allow longer runs, quicker response time and much easier installs with dual tuners.

Joe
 
why would bell want to do something silly like that
longer runs? poppycock
easier dual tuner installs? hogwash
if you are already running one line to the box, how much more difficult is it to run another?
hehe
i dont understand why they dont use DP/DPP, but im sure it has something to do with the deal they get on the switches/LNB's, much like the refurb 6100, 9200......
 
Yes I was being sarcastic.......

"I hate tv" has it just right I believe, why would Ex Vu oay for licencing of a technology that makes installation easier when they (Ex Vu) do not actually do the installations but farm them out to Vendors across Canada, who supply all there own materials for the job.

I agree that DP/DPP wil provide long runs but just for the record I have a run of 477 feet at my house on a Legacy LNBF, using good quality RG6 is very important.....

Nimiq 1
 
I did new compression connectors on the old cables and played with the pointing a bit. I changed the "skew" ever so slightly. Elevation and azimuth adjustments all made it worse. I'm back at the original on both.
The signal strength has improved to a lock on all transponders and we've had a big shower/thunderstorm with no loss of lock. My cable run is 150+ feet and buried in conduit. I'll likely do new cable "on ground" and evaluate the results.
With my cable in conduit, a 9200 and a 5900 the DPP was I believe a wise move. Two cables, three tuners all working.
 
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