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Downgrade coming. this should be fun
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HulaForever
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What the fuck are you smoking.
S&P says that there will be a downgrade if $4 trillion in cuts don't happen.
Democrats + Obama propose a plan with $4 trillion in cuts.
GOP bitch and moan and threaten to vote against it, in favor of only $1 trillion in cuts.
USA downgraded.
It doesn't get much clearer than that.
S&P says that there will be a downgrade if $4 trillion in cuts don't happen.
Democrats + Obama propose a plan with $4 trillion in cuts.
GOP bitch and moan and threaten to vote against it, in favor of only $1 trillion in cuts.
USA downgraded.
It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Guinea Saurus Rex
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So why is Obama so weak that he just rolls over and begs to take it up his ass?
nojoconnections
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bro. The republicans threatened to crash the economy. No one else is to blame. Didn't you see the 7 point font?
tickle monster
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i think its great. rich people spend alot and they will pay alot. poor spend little, they will pay little. no need for confusing forms, tax day,paying tax services. makes life easier for people and is fair
Melissa Holubjowsky
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Senate Democrats made a deal that they wouldn't filibuster, and Clinton made a deal with Gingrich in the House
It was a deal, like Obama extending the Bush tax cuts
Not like the original Bush Tax Cuts or ObamaCare, pushed through without a deal
It was a deal, like Obama extending the Bush tax cuts
Not like the original Bush Tax Cuts or ObamaCare, pushed through without a deal
AskMeStuff
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over a trillion in defense cuts to a useless military is a win
Yea because you know, a rational thinking person in the position to make those decision would just go welp, this looks like a solid idea as is. No need to sit down and hammer out details.
But you just go ahead and focus on what isn't even a rough draft of an idea and call it the end deal of what could possibly happen.
But you just go ahead and focus on what isn't even a rough draft of an idea and call it the end deal of what could possibly happen.
About what? That the republicans have been fucking off for the past year? I know. I agreed 4 pages ago.
He's just claimed that I'm blaming both republicans and democrats equally 50/50 for every political issue for at least the past decade which I have not.
I haven't even done that talking about the debt issue and the downgrade. All I've said is that this is an issue in which both parties have contributed and it's been decades in the works from playing kick the can.
He's just claimed that I'm blaming both republicans and democrats equally 50/50 for every political issue for at least the past decade which I have not.
I haven't even done that talking about the debt issue and the downgrade. All I've said is that this is an issue in which both parties have contributed and it's been decades in the works from playing kick the can.
mephistopheles
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The sentence structure made it confusing, I'm talking about your time period in the quote sorry if it was misleading about Senate control
Not willing to cause a government shutdown, and yielding a just-elected president's budget demanRAB != support, Democrats did not push Reagan to increase military spending and decrease taxes, Reagan insisted on it, the Democrats did not create the 80s deficit
real estate downturn in 2007 was from Clinton, wow you are willing to stretch so far for Clinton, yet the economy in 2011 is Obama's
You would make an excellent tea party candidate
Again and again you equate failing to shutdown the government or cause a default with support for Republican policies, this is how US politics work, when Reagen got in the Democrats respected the US voters who wanted tax cuts, same with Bush, when Democrats had divided control in 07 they knew they didn't have a mandate to radically change government
We have a $1.2 trillion deficit and $14 trillion debt, and you're talking about what ObamaCare may cost in 10 years? it also will probably save a lot of money, why are you trying to ignore our current debt and deficit?
at "well it doesn't matter what Bush did for 8 years because I don't like him"
I'll try that in 2017, I'll say everything Obama did from 2009-2017 I didn't like so you can't blame Democrats lets see how that goes
Not willing to cause a government shutdown, and yielding a just-elected president's budget demanRAB != support, Democrats did not push Reagan to increase military spending and decrease taxes, Reagan insisted on it, the Democrats did not create the 80s deficit
real estate downturn in 2007 was from Clinton, wow you are willing to stretch so far for Clinton, yet the economy in 2011 is Obama's
You would make an excellent tea party candidate
Again and again you equate failing to shutdown the government or cause a default with support for Republican policies, this is how US politics work, when Reagen got in the Democrats respected the US voters who wanted tax cuts, same with Bush, when Democrats had divided control in 07 they knew they didn't have a mandate to radically change government
We have a $1.2 trillion deficit and $14 trillion debt, and you're talking about what ObamaCare may cost in 10 years? it also will probably save a lot of money, why are you trying to ignore our current debt and deficit?
at "well it doesn't matter what Bush did for 8 years because I don't like him"
I'll try that in 2017, I'll say everything Obama did from 2009-2017 I didn't like so you can't blame Democrats lets see how that goes
Sunny louise
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That list skips over just about everything from 2001 to 2009 and makes no mention of all the democrats who supported those measures
Sexy Bastard
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that's because *surprise* you are an idiot.
They said they'd affirm us at AAA rating if we raised the ceiling, but it might have a negative outlook if we keep running a large debt (duh)
As far as "democrats approving spending"
After 6 years of GOP controlling both houses of Congress and the presidency, they had us spending $3 trillion a year in 2006, then we had President Bush initiate TARP/bailouts, and a huge drop in revenue from the Bush crash...add in automatic stabilizers that Obama had no control over
Basically the only "spending" you can blame Obama for is the tax-cut heavy stimulus (to get GOP votes) and compromising on the Bush tax cuts with the GOP to avoid gridlock
As far as "democrats approving spending"
After 6 years of GOP controlling both houses of Congress and the presidency, they had us spending $3 trillion a year in 2006, then we had President Bush initiate TARP/bailouts, and a huge drop in revenue from the Bush crash...add in automatic stabilizers that Obama had no control over
Basically the only "spending" you can blame Obama for is the tax-cut heavy stimulus (to get GOP votes) and compromising on the Bush tax cuts with the GOP to avoid gridlock
Your talking points are funny and wrong
No, Republicans controlled the Senate, during 81-89 Reagan insisted on increased military spending to put pressure on the Soviets and massive tax cuts, and in the interests of compromise allowed Reagan's budget to pass (also avoiding a government shutdown which would hurt the economy)
Later on, Democrats would insist on some tax increases to oRABet the huge deficit Reagan was creating
Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 to 2007, the economic downturn in places like the real estate market had already begun by the time Democrats took control in 2007, but the crash itself happened only one year later
From 1/07 to 1/09 Democrats had to constantly work with senate republicans to avoid a filibuster and george bush, no serious confrontation was ever put because a government shutdown would only damage the economy and they did not have enough votes to over ride the president or beat a GOP filibuster
from 2/09 and on, the only significant debt-increasing plan pushed by democrats was the stimulus, which was only $200b in direct federal spending (near 70% was tax cuts and state aid)
Dick Cheney was more accurately a co-president
http://www.slate.com/id/2129686/
His push for massive spending in Iraq and increased security spending has ballooned the deficit
Also, the entire GOP pushed for the war in Iraq, increased spending in security, to say they are not republicans would be to say people like Ron Paul are the GOP, and yet he was soundly defeated in 2008 amongst the GOP despite huge fundraising, he is simply disliked by the GOP because the GOP is the party of large security spending and low taxes (aka running a giant deficit)
False, CBO to this day will tell you repealing the ACA will increase the debt, not lower it
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No, Republicans controlled the Senate, during 81-89 Reagan insisted on increased military spending to put pressure on the Soviets and massive tax cuts, and in the interests of compromise allowed Reagan's budget to pass (also avoiding a government shutdown which would hurt the economy)
Later on, Democrats would insist on some tax increases to oRABet the huge deficit Reagan was creating
Republicans controlled Congress from 1995 to 2007, the economic downturn in places like the real estate market had already begun by the time Democrats took control in 2007, but the crash itself happened only one year later
From 1/07 to 1/09 Democrats had to constantly work with senate republicans to avoid a filibuster and george bush, no serious confrontation was ever put because a government shutdown would only damage the economy and they did not have enough votes to over ride the president or beat a GOP filibuster
from 2/09 and on, the only significant debt-increasing plan pushed by democrats was the stimulus, which was only $200b in direct federal spending (near 70% was tax cuts and state aid)
Dick Cheney was more accurately a co-president
http://www.slate.com/id/2129686/
His push for massive spending in Iraq and increased security spending has ballooned the deficit
Also, the entire GOP pushed for the war in Iraq, increased spending in security, to say they are not republicans would be to say people like Ron Paul are the GOP, and yet he was soundly defeated in 2008 amongst the GOP despite huge fundraising, he is simply disliked by the GOP because the GOP is the party of large security spending and low taxes (aka running a giant deficit)
False, CBO to this day will tell you repealing the ACA will increase the debt, not lower it
not in english
misslady233
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O I'm sorry I thought we were just throwing around stupid fucking comments. Proceed.