i want to join the marines, but only if i can serve a tour of duty, and the recruiter i talked to doesnt want me to do it, and i want to so badly because in my opinion war is something special that only certain generations get to take part in, and theres no way in hell i wont get in on it, if i want it bad enough will i get to do this?
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does the military look down on infantry (grunts)?
- Thread starter Carr
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Ok...Here's the scoop. War is a terrible thing, I wouldn't call it something special. But..I know what you mean.
You want to serve your country honorably by taking part in our current battle.
It may have just come out wrong.
I agree with what the other guy said. The recruiter has no say in whether you deploy. There's a good chance you won't have any say in it either.
You want to serve your country honorably by taking part in our current battle.
It may have just come out wrong.
I agree with what the other guy said. The recruiter has no say in whether you deploy. There's a good chance you won't have any say in it either.
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alacranera
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well its osnds like you think war is like one of ur nintiendo games..its not a game..but all i can say is thank god for basic training because before you'd be fit to go to war they will make you a man.and if they think you're not ready then you wont go..so maybe you need to grow up first and stop poutining lie a child because you cant a piece of th action candy until youre grown its not a game look how many soldiers have lost their lives over there.please stop dishonoring thier memorie acting like this is some type of sporting outing my son is trainig for the infantry,adn y would you think the army looks down on them?!!they are basically the human sheilds..so y dont you investigate a little more the reality of wars first
armybratswife
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my hubby is infantry and let me tell you this...the expectancy on an infantry soldier isnt much more than 40, hes been through 6 deployments from somolia when the blackhawks went down....to now just left iraq in april....hes got to redeploy in feb to wherever they send him be it africa, n korea, or afghanistan. this is a hard life but its not that the army looks down on you. but believe this...if you want the marines, stick with it. they dont take any prior service nor does the air force....
stnewton09
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Yes, the military does look down on Infantrymen. Military Police and other groups will say "I'm just like the Infantry". It's not true. They don't want to be the "stupid grunt" but they want the honor and glory that is due an Infantryman. Remember, while an MP will guard the FOB gate, and the enemy makes contact, the MP will return fire and probably be awarded a medal for it. The Infantryman not only returns fire in self defense, but will pursue the enemy even if it means his death. He normally receives not even a "thank you" for it. It's what's normally expected of him. Clerks and cooks will work 8-10 hour shifts indoors with air conditioning, then go home. The grunt will work 24 hours, in the field, with nothing but the 110 lbs or so on his back, the bugs, the 105 degree heat, the mosquitos, and he'll go home for awhile and then after a short rest, he'll be back on the field.
The Infantryman must run faster, shoot better, and know more about the art of warfare than any other Soldier, save for Special Forces. He must be versatile, adaptable, and multi-talented. He not only has to know how to fight with a rifle, machine gun, or his bare hands, but also how to repair vehicles organic to his unit, maintain and operate communications equipment, maintain his weapons and personal equipment, and provide medical care to a casualty until medics can get to them.
In the Army, we wear a blue cord on our right shoulder signifying that we are a superior breed of warrior. Marines don't have that cord on their uniform, but Marine Infantrymen wear it in their hearts. Make no mistake, there is no tougher or more rewarding field in the military (again, non-USSOCOM). It isn't a job, it's a brotherhood, where your co-workers are closer family than your own wife and children, and will die for you without a moment's pause, knowing that you will do the same. As you progress through the ranks, you will become a father to young men. Not an "E-5" in a support unit, but a "Sergeant" in a Combat Arms unit. The support personnel look on us with equal parts hatred and envy. They tell stories in bars about all of their secret missions. But, as many combat veterans will say, especially of the Special Operations community: "If you talk about it, you weren't there." They want the pride, the glory, the honor, the prestige, the camaraderie. They don't want the hardship, the pain, the violence, the blood, the sacrifice. That's why some Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines will discourage you from this field. They'll tell you, "Pick something that you can use as a civilian". That only applies if you're getting a certification, and plan on getting out as soon as possible. Employers usually don't care what you did in the military. I've seen former Infantrymen work for fire and police departments, and former Military Police work in hospitals. Because they lack the courage required to achieve such honors, they'll say and do whatever they can to make sure you don't become their better.
Rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan are common. Expect to go for 6-8 months (Army is 12 months) and come home for about twice that amount of time (Army, 24 months). If you like it, there's ample opportunity to volunteer to go back. It's probably not something you should worry about begging for. Your recruiter can't stop that, or your MOS. Just tell the career counselor at MEPS that you want 0300 (Infantry).
The Infantryman must run faster, shoot better, and know more about the art of warfare than any other Soldier, save for Special Forces. He must be versatile, adaptable, and multi-talented. He not only has to know how to fight with a rifle, machine gun, or his bare hands, but also how to repair vehicles organic to his unit, maintain and operate communications equipment, maintain his weapons and personal equipment, and provide medical care to a casualty until medics can get to them.
In the Army, we wear a blue cord on our right shoulder signifying that we are a superior breed of warrior. Marines don't have that cord on their uniform, but Marine Infantrymen wear it in their hearts. Make no mistake, there is no tougher or more rewarding field in the military (again, non-USSOCOM). It isn't a job, it's a brotherhood, where your co-workers are closer family than your own wife and children, and will die for you without a moment's pause, knowing that you will do the same. As you progress through the ranks, you will become a father to young men. Not an "E-5" in a support unit, but a "Sergeant" in a Combat Arms unit. The support personnel look on us with equal parts hatred and envy. They tell stories in bars about all of their secret missions. But, as many combat veterans will say, especially of the Special Operations community: "If you talk about it, you weren't there." They want the pride, the glory, the honor, the prestige, the camaraderie. They don't want the hardship, the pain, the violence, the blood, the sacrifice. That's why some Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines will discourage you from this field. They'll tell you, "Pick something that you can use as a civilian". That only applies if you're getting a certification, and plan on getting out as soon as possible. Employers usually don't care what you did in the military. I've seen former Infantrymen work for fire and police departments, and former Military Police work in hospitals. Because they lack the courage required to achieve such honors, they'll say and do whatever they can to make sure you don't become their better.
Rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan are common. Expect to go for 6-8 months (Army is 12 months) and come home for about twice that amount of time (Army, 24 months). If you like it, there's ample opportunity to volunteer to go back. It's probably not something you should worry about begging for. Your recruiter can't stop that, or your MOS. Just tell the career counselor at MEPS that you want 0300 (Infantry).
its actually the opposite grunts look down on anyone who are not grunts
they usually call them pogs it means people other than grunts
i'm going 11b airborne in the army and if the recruiter says their is no more slots for any of both im going to walk next door and be a 0311 in the marines
if your not infantry you aint sh#t
they usually call them pogs it means people other than grunts
i'm going 11b airborne in the army and if the recruiter says their is no more slots for any of both im going to walk next door and be a 0311 in the marines
if your not infantry you aint sh#t
SURFsmallWaves
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You're recruiter has no say in if you get deployed or not. All he is trying to do is get you to sign. They have no say so in anything else.
DontTreadOnMe Vol. 2
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"War is something special"
Wow kid you're phucking stupid. I don't even know where to begin.
Wow kid you're phucking stupid. I don't even know where to begin.
You've got two questions here, so I'll start with the one that makes the most sense: No, nobody really looks down on the infantry. Yes, we'll make occasional jokes about cannon fodder, the lowest common denominator, cavemen, and comic books, but most of us admire them for what they do, and are sure as hell happy we don't have their job.
As for your second questions about going to war. First off I have to tell you that your premise about war being something special that only certain generations "get to take part in" is way, way off base. I've been in for 15 years, and in that time I have supported, or gotten to take part in (in your terms), four seperate operations, which means four wars. Haiti, Kosovo, Southern Watch, and Iraqi Freedom. That means I've done enough for at least four generations by the way you are viewing things. If you go back and look at the wars the United States has been involved in since the end of Vietnam, you'll see the last 30 years have seen more conflict than the previous 200. You world view is a bit skewed to think that only certain generations get to play. You maybe have a valid point 50 years ago, but no longer.
Second point. War is nothing special. It sure as hell isn't like anything in video games, movies, and paintball. War is an God-awful experience that no one should have to ever endure. Sure, the homesickness, bone numbing cold, or searing heat, crappy food, loss of most personal freedoms, boredom, frustrations, hate, anger and the like can be dealt with by most, but the first time someone starts throwing rocks at you, points a gun at you and pulls the trigger, or you see a friend lying in the hospital bed because of a IED, that's enough to make grown men break.
Unfortunately for you If you join any branch, as an Infantryman, Intel Specialist, or Cook. but I don't think you can handle it.
As for your second questions about going to war. First off I have to tell you that your premise about war being something special that only certain generations "get to take part in" is way, way off base. I've been in for 15 years, and in that time I have supported, or gotten to take part in (in your terms), four seperate operations, which means four wars. Haiti, Kosovo, Southern Watch, and Iraqi Freedom. That means I've done enough for at least four generations by the way you are viewing things. If you go back and look at the wars the United States has been involved in since the end of Vietnam, you'll see the last 30 years have seen more conflict than the previous 200. You world view is a bit skewed to think that only certain generations get to play. You maybe have a valid point 50 years ago, but no longer.
Second point. War is nothing special. It sure as hell isn't like anything in video games, movies, and paintball. War is an God-awful experience that no one should have to ever endure. Sure, the homesickness, bone numbing cold, or searing heat, crappy food, loss of most personal freedoms, boredom, frustrations, hate, anger and the like can be dealt with by most, but the first time someone starts throwing rocks at you, points a gun at you and pulls the trigger, or you see a friend lying in the hospital bed because of a IED, that's enough to make grown men break.
Unfortunately for you If you join any branch, as an Infantryman, Intel Specialist, or Cook. but I don't think you can handle it.
Why??
Do you want to die??
Just because you went to war dosent make you a hero!
After all the stuff you see there when you come back you will be scarred for life people come back post traumatic stress this order. I think thats what its called. I know some relatives that have been there and had to take counciling after and were very depressed. Not worth it.
Do you want to die??
Just because you went to war dosent make you a hero!
After all the stuff you see there when you come back you will be scarred for life people come back post traumatic stress this order. I think thats what its called. I know some relatives that have been there and had to take counciling after and were very depressed. Not worth it.