does religion really represent god?

Mr JP Fugley said:
It's the effort chaps put into convincing me, that's what's really impressive.

Bigot - God doesn't exist and religions is shite

Me - Fair enough, we'll each believe what we want. No worries.

Bigot - All people who are religious are ignoramuses and murdering cunts.

Me - Like I said, to each their own

Bigot - I fucking hate anyone who believes in religion they are all shite bastard cunt fucks.

Me - That's a bit harsh

Bigot - Don't insult me
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You're twisting it again.

I wasn't nearly that anti-religion, and you weren't nearly that innocent.
 
Religion has killed millions, if not billions of people, and it has no positive purpose that can't be accomplished within the realm of reality.

As for Tony Blair, he's using religion as a way to relate to the people, thus making him more popular, which is exactly what he wants if he's trying to get into such a position.

Or perhaps he's just a simple minded person that happens to belong to a rich family, thus is allowed to attend an expensive school.

Does a degree really make you a smarter person, or is it superficial?

Religion = Control. Governments like control.
 
Mr JP Fugley said:
:glag: You went to all that bother just to confirm your status as board idiot and bigot.

That's cute.

Particularly from someone who described billions of other people as uneducated and ignorant because they believe something different from him. It really is the most bigoted, idiotic position I've seen in ages.

Devout, proselytising Atheists are fan-tastic.
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:snooty: It is bloody hard work passionately believing something isn't there. The most people can generally muster is a sort "meh whatever".....

or am I confusing most people with me again :unsure:
 
manker said:
Some stuff written in religious scripture is good.

If you like, you can read it. There might be occasions where you'll think; 'That's a good thing'. The people who wrote it were, by and large, clever chaps who thought a lot about values and how people should live their lives. In fact, most of them dedicated their entire lives to theorising about just that and then writing it down.

Of course, there's some absolute pish too and some is irrelevant in contemporary society - but if you can read it with an open mind and take the bits that suggest how to improve the way you treat other people and the way in which you think about yourself, then it might just work for you and improve your life somewhat. It will, at the very least, make you more informed about what millions of other people hold dear to them.

You don't have to believe in a superior being, a creator - I certainly don't - but that's not to say that religion is useless. Don't just say religion is bad without reading about what it tries to teach 'cos, as I said, some, no, most of it is good stuff.
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This is what I was saying about the use of religion as a civilising influence on a barbaric era in civilisation. Most of the tenets of all faiths have already been enshrined in democratic law in a secular way in Britain......all the important ones anyway. Religion is a relic...like the appendix, a vestigial remnant of man's evolution.

Like you I already accept a lot of the moral codes of religion into my life. My dad always said that you don't need to go to church. You just have to follow what Jesus teaches and you'll be ok. He believed as I do that Jesus was a revolutionary, not the son of God. You don't need to have religion to have morality and ethics.....and I would say that if it takes the fear of a wrathful creator to adopt them then that makes you a pretty abysmal human being. There are times when it really amuses me that people I've met who call themselves Christians seem to have fewer moral standards than I do, and think that as long as they accept that they are weak and throw themselves upon God for understanding and forgiveness it's ok. It's a lot tougher to look yourself in the mirror as your own moral guardian and make excuses to yourself. There can be no harder judge of you than you.

The only things religion can possibly offer now in the modern era are a) a way to reinforce group bonding...to set yourself apart from groups of other people b) If you have a shitty life to give you hope and a belief that you've suffering for a reason c) to give you comfort when you're lonely or frightened. And really, for the last two society/humanity should be ashamed that people have been forced into that.
 
Biggles said:
Obviously life is full of grey areas if one is looking at things objectively. However, if one becomes say a Baptist the other members might look askance if you say "obviously I don't believe in a literal God" That point is non-negotiable as far as they are concerned. In some churches Noah's Ark, talking snakes and fruit that confers knowledge of good and evil are also non-negotiable. However there is always the CofE bless :)
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Well it did Mother Teresa no harm ;)
 
manicgeek said:
I'd say that depends on whether it's day or night, and what the weather conditions are ;)

Would you say that all Christians should go around smiting unbelievers ?
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I would say that if a doctrine says you should do something you should either do it and assign yourself that religion or not do it and not.
 
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