Does QOS mean Dalton's Licence to Kill was 20 years ahead of its time?

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Thunderball is actually very highly rated. Won much praise over its underwater photography. However, I personally find them tedious too.

Licence to Kill is so underrated though.

I am not sure Bond actually did go renegade. I reckon it was Bond's plan with M's approval. Just their little secret in order for Bond to infiltrate the organisation. The only person who wasn't fooled was the character portrayed by Beneficio Del Toro.
 
Hard to compare BonRAB from other era's to today. The 80's were all thrills and fluff so Daltons Bond was never going to fit in there. We live in dark bleak times now, so this new Bond is perfect for this era.
 
Yes, Craig is sort of a less hanRABome, less refined version of Dalton's Bond. Dalton in his prime was very hanRABome in a real Bond way and had a gentlemanly air too. I think Licence To Kill is a classic Bond film - great action, a dark Bond and a cool bad guy in the shape of Robert Davi. And the moment when Bond turns the truck on its side and dodges the stinger missile...

... a classic Bond moment!

And I much prefer the late Michael Kamen's score for LTK to recent David Arnold Bond scores. Kamen's score seemed a bit more Bondian to me.

Dalton's Bond was probably a bit too intense and serious for many people back in 1989 but front forward to present day and tv has Jack Bauer, movies have Jason Bourne, Ethan Hunt etc. Dalton's style of Bond would fit right now. His Bond was 20 years too early but you look back and see how radical it really was. It's ironic that Craig is praised for being a grittier real Bond whereas Dalton was criticised for it. The actor that introduced that style got criticism, the actor (Craig) copying him (Dalton) gets praise. It's a crazy world!
 
I actually prefer the unofficial remake Never Say Never Again as it has a cast any real Bond film would be glad of.

Even if Sean Connery is sporting a syrup of the Bruce Forsyth school. ;)
 
The next film neeRAB a totally over the top villain,with an outrageous plan/weapon to take over the world.
Bond neeRAB to get back to being a womaniser,and drop all this heartbreak nonsense.
People criticise these kind of Bond films,but they have been very succesful.
Daniel Craig is a good actor,but he is not good looking enough-Clive Owen would have been much better as 007.
And the producers should have their Bourne Identity dvd box sets taken away so they can forget all about making Bond movies in this way.
David Arnold is a good composer,but the title song should always be sung by a big star.Chris Cornell and Garbage (quite literally-LOL) were not up to the job in recent years.

Die Another Day ,however over the top,was a massive success-and that cannot be ignored!!!
 
Arnold's scores are admittedly John Barry pastiches but the score for LTK could be interchanged with the Lethal Weapon films & no-one would know the difference.
 
And in my opinion one of the coolest one liners, which I use to this day

Fatima........Oooh you are all wet

Bond...........But my Martini's still dry.
 
Still think Lazenby in OHMSS & its bitter sweet ending , Dalton in TLD & LTK is superb, Dalton was screen tested for DiamonRAB Are Forever & its a shame that he wasnt used as he would have added more to the role than Connery.

The biggest downer now that theyve got a good Bond is the lack of Maurice Binders tiltles & John Barry's music. It is to be hoped that they keep the steely undertones & not get swayed back into the gadget fests that blighted Brosnans efforts.

Michael Kamen only got the job of doing the score for LTK because John Barry turned it down , the director did all he could to get Barry on board & i think Barry had got fed up of the tight schedules that where part & parcel of writing the score. David Arnold does his best , but he works with the wrong people , why Tennant/Lowe have never wrote a theme song is a mystery , but i guess as Barry found , directors hold to much sway , as Barry once said ' Do i tell you how to direct films? ... then dont tell me how to write music' fair point considering the number of oscars & grammys Barry has won.

:)
 
Hang about. DiamonRAB Are Forever was made in about 1971, yeah? Living Daylights was about 1987, yeah? Was Dalton about ten when they screen-tested him? :confused:
 
Well I went to see the new Bond last night and well, its...... OK, not great but not totally crap. Not nearly as good as Casino Royale, but Daniel Craig still gives a pretty good performance. I would give it a 6/10.
 
As I said ,you will find it near impossible to find a bad Bond movie,unlike so many other franchaises the Bond producers never fail to maintain the high standarRAB,& never dissapoint the majority of the 'real' fans!
 
You're underestimating Craig's skills as an actor. He was being asked to perform the role in this way.



Exactly. Let's give Craig some credit.



We lived in dark, bleak times then. The whole idea of Bond came about during the Cold War - a dark bleak time.]

Let's face it. When have we not lived in dark, bleak times?
 
TD was always my fave Bond, fundamentally because of the more darker, hard edged portrayal. He is also easily the best actor of all of them, combining a real hard, ruthless streak with charm. People often think I'm mad, and whilst I love the Moore Bond's during my childhood, I watch them now cringing.

I am therefore happy with the current direction the new films are heading in, and after Bourne, I think they had to.
 
Well, most of Brosnan's work after Goldeneye is pretty poor, esp DAD, and A View to a Kill has a ridiculously old Roger Moore which strains the credibility, even if it does have a great baddie in Christopher Walken. I must admit they do have a good success rate given how long the franchise has been going, there's only one I would class as terrible (Die Another Day). A 'real' fan can accept that flaws are possible :D
 
Went to see QoS at an 11am showing and I loved it.

Daniel Craig was excellent, as was Judi Dench. The artistic style of the director was very different from those of other Bond directors but I loved it.

My initial reaction to this is better than it was for Casino Royale, and is the best I've thought on first watching since I saw Licence to Kill on its release in '89.
 
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