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Does going No-Ratio really help peer activity?
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Well seed-points and bonus-system is a good motivation to seed everything what you download forever. There are few examples of movie-trackers which prove it. 0day is 0day it's actauly in a moment. Browse.php saw something intresting - > download it. In fact most of people think only about huge ratio, awesome upload and great bufer on 0day trackers. So they don't care about content. There are few words like 'pre-times', 'good speeds' are typical shit.
Great community + good bonus system is a way to not have 0seeds on any torrent IMHO.
Great community + good bonus system is a way to not have 0seeds on any torrent IMHO.
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which begs the question as to why these very same people that choose to abuse PTNs system will loyally keep unto others like say FTNs.
Just the other day it got so bad on one scene tracker that a warning had to be issued and by the language of it,it appeared as though it was inspired by these very same people that you are talking about.
Its indeed true that beginners(the filenetworks/sharky recruits) end up making the best members on trackers and this probably explains the reason why demonoid is still around to date.
Shark Riot
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It really depends on the site.
People have said it comes down to staff and the users. Imo it only comes down to the members. The staf consists of what 10, 20 people? that's too little to make a real difference in peer numbers. There are other ways in which the staff can influence users, but in the end it comes down to the question each member has to ask himself: ''Do you want to seed, just for seeding's sake?''
Come to think of it, I wonder what would happen if the usergroups were removed alltogether at say FTN. I bet the peers number would drop. I mean FTN is great, but some people are still there for the epen and if being a Hero increases it, then so be it.
Nothing wrong with the number of seeboxes though. I take advantage of it and then seed till I bleed.
Come to think of it, I wonder what would happen if the usergroups were removed alltogether at say FTN. I bet the peers number would drop. I mean FTN is great, but some people are still there for the epen and if being a Hero increases it, then so be it.
Nothing wrong with the number of seeboxes though. I take advantage of it and then seed till I bleed.
Regarding your first question, I think it boils down to learning the "ropes" and how to maintain an account you wouldn't otherwise need or want. All us experienced torrenters know the little tricks like cross/pre-seeding, borrowing a seedbox to buffer, logging in once a month or w/e. New folks don't know those tricks, so they do as directed of all things :O
Part of the problem at PtN, is the vast majority of people just do not understand how things work in our system. They are so used to HAVING to seed as much as they can as quickly as they can because that's the only way to gain status at your traditional ratio free site. I get PM's all the time telling me there is a bug in the system that is giving them too much upload, and they fail to realize that the upload and download all counts toward their promotions and what have you. That factor serves to bolster your point, duckater, that many people read a few sets of rules and presume they are fairly universal. That isn't always the case.
To be honest, the most valuable members to me are the guys with the TB's downloaded, as much, if not more so than the folks with TB's uploaded, as those are the folks that truly appreciate what we are offering. After all, without leechers, what's the point?
At the end of the day, the struggle becomes how to stand out from the rest of the multitude of private trackers that keep popping up. That's why the "community" tracker was born.
If you figure that one out, let me know
Part of the problem at PtN, is the vast majority of people just do not understand how things work in our system. They are so used to HAVING to seed as much as they can as quickly as they can because that's the only way to gain status at your traditional ratio free site. I get PM's all the time telling me there is a bug in the system that is giving them too much upload, and they fail to realize that the upload and download all counts toward their promotions and what have you. That factor serves to bolster your point, duckater, that many people read a few sets of rules and presume they are fairly universal. That isn't always the case.
To be honest, the most valuable members to me are the guys with the TB's downloaded, as much, if not more so than the folks with TB's uploaded, as those are the folks that truly appreciate what we are offering. After all, without leechers, what's the point?
At the end of the day, the struggle becomes how to stand out from the rest of the multitude of private trackers that keep popping up. That's why the "community" tracker was born.
If you figure that one out, let me know
Olivia Hazell
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Messed up Mikey
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@tinfish, it all comes from the mentality off the users, you have on your site, i.e whit our whiteout ratio, doesn't matter. If they're only there because off the levels...
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you are not the only person on UKT.
Quit bragging about it on FST. We know they handed out a few invites and loads of ----->>>>> collectors
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you are not the only person on UKT.
Quit bragging about it on FST. We know they handed out a few invites and loads of ----->>>>> collectors
the bottom line is that having a ratio free, no min seed requirements system does not benefit a tracker any more than a normal system .. in fact it most likely wont last very long PERIOD! anyone who thinks differently is just fooling themselves.. lmao
this is one of them endless "WHAT IF" debates... it all sounds good on paper but, trying to make it work in reality?...GOOD LUCK! hahahahaha
this is one of them endless "WHAT IF" debates... it all sounds good on paper but, trying to make it work in reality?...GOOD LUCK! hahahahaha
Well, a no ratio site usually leads to a site that has great speeds when the torrent is new, but most people drop the torrent after a few weeks and the torrent can go dead. Then again iTS comes to mind, they are ratio free, and the archive content on iTS is fairly well seeded considering the small userbase.
:lol:
After failing to study for a giant test that I will be having on Wednesday, and then actually realizing that I'm in trouble for not doing so, this brightened my otherwise terrible day.
Benniethebull
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I'm temporarily stuck with an extremely crappy connection that disconnects like crazy and is slow at the best of times. Because of this, I've limited myself to snatching torrents from those sites that offer a no or share-ratio system. The caps my ISP places on my b/w and speed makes it impossible to establish any kind of ratio no mater how hard I try, or how long I seed.
When I had a decent connection, I never thought twice before about whether a site had a ratio system in place because I would just seed back for as long as required, or upload requests - all those things members should just do
Now that I can't maintain a ratio, I've come to appreciate greatly those sites where they realize that being a good member is not just about ratio - but about keeping seeds active even if there isn't activity, or showing appreciation to the uploaders by snatching their torrents, packs, etc.
On this latter point, imho, supporting uploaders and seeding back for minimum times is really what should be encouraged. If the uploaders are going to put in the effort to make and seed packs, or quality rips, then efforts need to be made to encourage members to use what the site has to offer.
The obsession with bytes given in proportion to bytes taken has to be eased up. Not everyone has a seedbox or unlimited bandwith. Sites that make themselves available to all members with a range of connections and sharing abililties is what should be encouraed. If ratio-free is the means to encourage members to use the site, cool. But it can also come from not dropping the ban-hammer solely on ratio, or to give some consideration to the effort a member makes to at least give something back to the site by whatever means they can.
.... just my two cents
When I had a decent connection, I never thought twice before about whether a site had a ratio system in place because I would just seed back for as long as required, or upload requests - all those things members should just do
Now that I can't maintain a ratio, I've come to appreciate greatly those sites where they realize that being a good member is not just about ratio - but about keeping seeds active even if there isn't activity, or showing appreciation to the uploaders by snatching their torrents, packs, etc.
On this latter point, imho, supporting uploaders and seeding back for minimum times is really what should be encouraged. If the uploaders are going to put in the effort to make and seed packs, or quality rips, then efforts need to be made to encourage members to use what the site has to offer.
The obsession with bytes given in proportion to bytes taken has to be eased up. Not everyone has a seedbox or unlimited bandwith. Sites that make themselves available to all members with a range of connections and sharing abililties is what should be encouraed. If ratio-free is the means to encourage members to use the site, cool. But it can also come from not dropping the ban-hammer solely on ratio, or to give some consideration to the effort a member makes to at least give something back to the site by whatever means they can.
.... just my two cents
Do the dishes then :lol:
But on a serious note I have had arguements with some site owners in the past that could not see that over seeding uploads on there site was bad for them in this day and age with new sites opening up all the time.
One owner even said to me it encourages people to donate wtf if you provide them with what they want they more likely to donate
Kallieb we use a seed bonus system and have a seed time the bonus is reasonable fair and the staff know who are good users and if they have problems the staff send them points or help out on there ratio so they are fine. Site is 2 1/2 yrs old now and all staff have been on site for well over a yr and only odd staffer been staff for less than one yr.
At current time we are over staffed so feel that even if a few do decide to leave we have the staff who understand how we work and want the site run, we are quiet relaxed and friendly but will not be taken for fools.
I have been on sites and seen people banned warned for the slightest thing, even for stopping to seed while un raring a torrent.
But on a serious note I have had arguements with some site owners in the past that could not see that over seeding uploads on there site was bad for them in this day and age with new sites opening up all the time.
One owner even said to me it encourages people to donate wtf if you provide them with what they want they more likely to donate
Kallieb we use a seed bonus system and have a seed time the bonus is reasonable fair and the staff know who are good users and if they have problems the staff send them points or help out on there ratio so they are fine. Site is 2 1/2 yrs old now and all staff have been on site for well over a yr and only odd staffer been staff for less than one yr.
At current time we are over staffed so feel that even if a few do decide to leave we have the staff who understand how we work and want the site run, we are quiet relaxed and friendly but will not be taken for fools.
I have been on sites and seen people banned warned for the slightest thing, even for stopping to seed while un raring a torrent.