Does God still speak to mankind?

Does this do anything for you guys?

Behold the power of the great wine pressing!

________is the belief of the Anti-Grape-sts! They are wrong and in their folly they shall be crushed by the pressing!

_______ and all of ______is hokey and is all wrong. it has NEVER been proven! Surrender yourself to the Great Wine Pressing and you will be saved!

Logic dictates that all reasoning through objectivness is a perversion of our god's will. Surrender all reason and praise the purple wonder!

Hear me! ______ is wrong because the great one said so to me in a dream!

take HEED, do not faulter! Abandon such beliefs or you will pay!

Now you know how I feel.
 
Originally Posted by unkerpaulie
so, what exactly is the difference between employing faith and lying to yourself?




Aww crikey, I have been called out. :)

I recall the term Pascal's Wager from a long-ago class, had to look it up, and yup that's what my answer was.



Lying to yourself is telling yourself that Elle McPherson, who you met in a bar completely by accident and gave your business card, WILL ACTUALLY CALL to make a date.

Believing is taking some circumstantial evidence, and deciding for yourself that the evidence is sufficient, for you, to believe what the evidence is suggesting.

-edit- while the two can be close at times, IMO there is sufficient delineation in this case to make a distinction.

I believe I've stated before that I'm a hopeful agnostic. I don't have the faith to simply believe, but rather hope that the rewarRAB promised in the Bible actually exist and that God is real and benevolent as portrayed.
 
wrong. truth exists regardless of belief or disbelief. faith, by definition, is believing without knowing for sure. truth, by definition, is believing by knowing for sure. two very different things that are not interrelated or overlapping

believing the evidence, as you put it, is believing what you can see or naturally observe. faith requires believing what you cannot see or naturally observe. whether one has faith in the unseen, or knowledge of the seen, the truth is the truth. truth is dependant on nothing
 
Still one who does not wish to know God will refuse to partake in anything about the question that God may exist. There is to much fear and dout in one that they cannot even see their own destiny after death.
 
Then is believing in God a truth? If you ned evidence see it in the eyes of the saved. They have changed emotionally and spriitually that it can't be measuerd! Proof is the life changing experience of realizing there is a God who loves you, and that you are not alone in life.
 
Wow, you don't understand. The fallacy you used was in declaring that if a large number of people believe something it must be true



I cannot believe what does not exist. There is no evidence of a supernatural being whatsoever. Simply believing does not make it true either.



Why? That's a bad argument. Truth is outside the realm of believing.

The Document you linked is worthless as well as fradulent



Fallacy: argument to anymous aurthority. It doesn't even mention any discoveries either. I could say that well known creatinoists now admit their belief was a load of baloney and it has the same credbilitiy.



We can test the existance of energy. we cannot test the existance of a diety.

The entire article doesn't have a single fact that proves the existance at all

Do you really think that the article has any substaince?
 
Get some sleep ... reply tommorow... I'm still intrested as to how this all makes sense!! By the way I to played in band briefly in school. WE do share somthing in common.
 
Where are you getting this stuff? The entire premise doesn't exist.

As for the rest of "why we were made," that is pure speculation devoid of any logic whatsoever.

Big Orn: that assumes there is a message in the first place. I don't believe that. I think that the diety in question merely created the spark for the universe and then let everything sort itself out. It is very much a diest belief.
 
Despite what is reality/whatever is, is? It seems that you're going from the position that the Bible is 100% incorrect and a falsity. Are you saying that you are taking the atheist position here, that there is NO God? OR...are you allowing for the possibility?

I have faith (trust/belief) that the gas I put in the tank will allow the engine to run, and have proof of this (almost) every time I put the key in the ignition. I believe that there are extra terrestrials, though there is no direct evidence. Am I lying to myself about the extra terrestrials? I mean, there is no evidence.....
 
The Bible is a good book, the ultimate message of which is to be kind to folks. I think the contrast between Old and New Testament is to show how to change for the better.

As far as modern times and no examples of miracles, etc.....do a Google search on Padre Pio.

Bible true? I think parts of it are. I think parts of it are greatly exaggerated. Unfortunately we can't know nowadays what was fabricated and what was truthfully told.
 
DepenRAB on what you get out of it Duo. To continue, His image is based upon free will. choice. "God doesn't make no junk." Duo Im not going to argue with you till Im blue in the face. Believe or rather don't believe in what you will. After all you do have Free Choice. No one can make you see the light. Not even God. Only you can see it if you choose.
 
either way. can we take what was said after the worRAB "and the lord said" to be what the lord said? whether verbose or paraphrased, were those worRAB God's worRAB/message?
 
Now this is what I'm talking about in the other thread. If god doesn't make junk why were we created with his reflection, which includes sin, and god mad at us?
 
I got news for ya: Elle ain't gonna be calling. :cry: So that's definitely lying to yourself. :p

I agree that sometimes it's a fine line between faith and lying to yourself.


Here's another question: take the case of ghosts. Various positions on this, both with hokey "evidence" and strong opinions on either side.

My mother told stories about ghosts when we were kiRAB, so I believed they were out there --even before I "experienced" one. I had a debate on another forum awhile back, where numerous people absolutely denied the possibility that ghosts could exist. They were unwilling to even discuss the possibility, repeatedly denying my story or ignoring it altogether.

How do you feel about ghosts?
 
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