Do you think that the debate over Healthcare Reform is resulting in other countries...

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...thinking less of the U.S.? our*

my bad. :)
for people who say "who cares".. the answer is everybody who has the least bit of intelligence cares. its a matter of national security!

when countries like France, Canada, Switzerland, etc. etc. etc. watch the News and see the debate over healthcare reform in the U.S. they think to themselves, "wow, i am lucky to be living in this country". you don't see any of these countries protesting their healthcare. there is a slight minority of elite foreigners who have the same views as typical Conservatives, but all of their lives, the world considered the U.S. the greatest country in the world.. now are flaws are beginning to show.
 
I have friends in the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden and Germany. To be honest they gave up on America when we elected Bush to a second term. Was just speaking with my friend Eric in the Netherlands and asked about health insurance costs there, he pays 165 per month in us dollars and that is complete medical and includes vision plan.
 
Well, they like us a hell of a lot better now that Obama is in office; however, they probably don't think we look too bright, worrying about insurance companies being able to make a profit over people's health.
 
In Canada there are 750,000 citizens waiting for operations and other procedures.

I lived in Canada for a long time and have many relatives there.

Someone I know in texas needed a knee repair for torn catiledge,
They called an orthopedic surgeon and got an appointment in 2 days.
The surgeon ordered an MRI and they got that in 3 days. The surgery was scheduled for 1 week later.

In Canada the wait to see an orthopedic surgeon is 1 year. The wait for an MRI is 4 months. The wait for the procedure is another year.

So what takes 2 weeks to get done here takes over 2 years there. That is 2 years of your life in pain with restricted mobility.

There are plenty of people in Canada that are upset about the long wait for services. People there routinely die while waiting. Those with money go south for care.
 
Yes. The USA went down in the estimation of the world when it voted for Bush the second, not once, but twice. It regained the faith of the world when it voted Obama into power, but is once again making sure people think that Americans are morons (which I know all of you are not) by trying to keep the current system that you have!

FACT - Insurance companies in the USA admit to pushing up prices, buying politicians and not paying out claims when they should
FACT - PER PERSON the USA spends more on healthcare than any other nation on the planet
FACT - Obama debated his plans before the election for healthcare
FACT - the chance of a child under five of dying in the USA is greater than industrialised nations with universal health coverage
FACT - Obama was elected by the American people to bring in change
FACT - Obama wants to stop insurance companies from screwing the American people
FACT - The reforms Obama wants work in the Netherlands and Switzerland
 
Let me ask you this: Do you think the people overseas, and in Canada fully understand how our government operates? I know many people from other countries who tell me our government confuses the hell out of them. It confuses the hell out of some people who are born and raised here.

I asked this because our government would have to govern in a different way for NHC to work here. And of course the advocates for NHC in those countries would like to see us have it here. The way their whole system is set up in Europe and in Canada makes their health care a feasible choice.

And, actually, I have seen people in those countries protest their health care. Have you not heard the recent news in the U.K.? There are some people asking whether NHC is worth it anymore.

In case you haven't heard the news from the U.K., I'll tell you: There were approximately 16 cases of abuse, neglect, and other things going on over there. Some elderly ladies and gentlemen were left to wallow in their own excrement and other dire conditions, women giving birth in hallways, basements, and other odd places in hospitals. There are several other things I could list that have been going on lately, but I think what I've mentioned will suffice.

I know you will probably think to yourself or ask aloud, "What does that have to do with free health insurance? Things like that happen here all the time."

Here's the answer to that: We live in a HUGE country, which is at least 10x the size of the United Kingdom and other countries in Europe. Our population is much bigger than that of Canada, even though their overall land is a bit bigger. The types of things going on in in the United Kingdom don't happen that often here, believe it or not. Cases being in the news from time to time give the illusion that it is a real problem.

The cases in the UK and other countries show how the quality of care isn't that great. You honestly get what you pay for. And their health insurance is free. Think about that. Would you want to sacrifice the quality of care just to have free health insurance in this country?
 
I know Canada and UK are saying don't go down that slippery slope, whereas other places like Cuba are saying it's about time. You need to do more research on socialized health care in other countries. Either you will come away understanding how our freedom works, or you will be content letting the government and its bureaucracy take care of you and your loved ones. Our health care is the greatest in the world. Second to none. We do have a problem with lawyers and insurance companies.
 
Well as a citizen of Canada with many friends from the states we already knew for a loooong time that your health care sucks. I find it really confusing why the citizens of your country haven't tryed to get it reformed earlier.

So let me ask you a question. As a citizen of the US who has accepted that their health care is sub standard and who has accepted that the "whole wolrd is watching" do you think that you should stand by your system? or try to get it improved?
 
Well as a citizen of Canada with many friends from the states we already knew for a loooong time that your health care sucks. I find it really confusing why the citizens of your country haven't tryed to get it reformed earlier.

So let me ask you a question. As a citizen of the US who has accepted that their health care is sub standard and who has accepted that the "whole wolrd is watching" do you think that you should stand by your system? or try to get it improved?
 
Well, not exactly thinking less of the US on this particular issue. I suppose we in the UK find all the opposition to the current Healthcare proposals bit odd. Whilst our National Health Service is not without its faults it gives a guarantee of free medical care, hospitalisation to everyone plus free medication to those aged over 60. In a word it gives a level of security for life. It's paid for from taxes but it's not compulsory to use the service as there also exists the choice of private care.Most of us don't see the sense in paying for something twice! Maverick UK politicians have appeared on US TV decrying the NHS by telling the most outrageous lies. I'm 73, suffering lupus and a few other problems. I'm well supported by our service and have a good standard of care. I manage a satisfactory lifestyle. All this nonsense about elderly people's death lists is just rubbish - believe me! With the greatest respect to yourself and the USA,it's my belief that the flaws you mention, if they really exist, are more to do with Afghanistan etc and the antics of your previous President. I've always been a friend of the USA and I wish you well.
 
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