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KC
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whining about what's fair or not? Do you think individuals cause progression through ingenuity, competition, and a free market or the masses cause progression by whining about whats fair or not?
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Do you think progression comes through individual competition or the masses
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Robert
Guest
both.
america began with a bunch of whiners about a tax.
food safety standards happened because a bunch of whiners.
civil rights happened because of a bunch of people whining about what is and isn't fair.
america began with a bunch of whiners about a tax.
food safety standards happened because a bunch of whiners.
civil rights happened because of a bunch of people whining about what is and isn't fair.
Were fair labor laws enacted because buisness owners decided that effectively enslaving their workers was bad for profit? No, because requiring people to work 12 hours a day, paying them subsistence wages, and making it impossible for them to leave is always better for profit.
Was the country desegregated because buisness owners decided they would be more competitive if they let black people use the same facilities? No, because any buisness that decided to do so unilaterally would lose the buisness of racists.
In fact, I can't think of one little bit of progress that happened because some buisness owner decided it was in their best interests to cause it. Usually, progress reduces profits for them.
Was the country desegregated because buisness owners decided they would be more competitive if they let black people use the same facilities? No, because any buisness that decided to do so unilaterally would lose the buisness of racists.
In fact, I can't think of one little bit of progress that happened because some buisness owner decided it was in their best interests to cause it. Usually, progress reduces profits for them.
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Buttercup
Guest
this a no brainer, unless of course you voted for Obama then you believe of course that massive whining will take care of all our problems. It's working for them so far
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Bill G
Guest
individual competition (although I will extend "individual" to include a group of people cooperating to achieve a common goal, such as a team or corporation or similar cooperative group)
No need for Enzyte
New member
Gee, are those the only two possible alternatives?
Not on my planet, anyway.
Not on my planet, anyway.
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Kenya believe it
Guest
You are asking this question of a nation of whiners?
Progression to what?
Inventions, new ideas, new products are brought about by need, not by any free market capitalists or at least not because of capitalism alone.
Progression to what?
Inventions, new ideas, new products are brought about by need, not by any free market capitalists or at least not because of capitalism alone.
Culture Warrior
New member
false premise. next question
Free market competition gives the first spike in progress. The consequences of which may negatively affect the masses.
Once a threshold is reached, the masses stand up for themselves and correct the initial progress leap so that it accounts for the well-being of all.
So the individual is the catalyst, the masses represent the modification or refinement of progress that is suitable for all.
Once a threshold is reached, the masses stand up for themselves and correct the initial progress leap so that it accounts for the well-being of all.
So the individual is the catalyst, the masses represent the modification or refinement of progress that is suitable for all.
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innocent
Guest
Those who have never been in business are the one who are complaining about what is fair or not.
They complain about something they know nothing about and will not get out in the business world and find out for themselves. They just like to complain about us who are in business.
They complain about something they know nothing about and will not get out in the business world and find out for themselves. They just like to complain about us who are in business.
Seldon Surak
New member
the technological step forward comes from individual achievment
Making sure people don't die for the lack if it is where the government steps in
Making sure people don't die for the lack if it is where the government steps in
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csunharleyrider
Guest
Make sense, woman.
It depends on what you mean by progression. There was zero chance of the free market addressing institutionalized second class citizenship because the free market wanted that cheap underpaid workforce that had no other choices. The free market had zero chance of addressing pollution and sustainability because the free market makes more money polluting and using stuff to extinction than operating cleanly and husbanding resources. The free market has zero chance of addressing health care for all because costs are uncontained, unpredictable and unaffordable on an individual basis and requires a collective solution.
Not to mention Auto safety, workplace, food safety, product safety, pharmacological safety and effectiveness. These things are slightly higher than zero chance but would be no where near where they are without government mandates and rules.
Now economic progression is utterly dependent on competition, but one must recognize that there are aways some in society not equipped to compete (the elderly, the sick, the disabled, the children). Addressing their basic needs is not whining and fairness not the issue - it is a moral imperative.
Not to mention Auto safety, workplace, food safety, product safety, pharmacological safety and effectiveness. These things are slightly higher than zero chance but would be no where near where they are without government mandates and rules.
Now economic progression is utterly dependent on competition, but one must recognize that there are aways some in society not equipped to compete (the elderly, the sick, the disabled, the children). Addressing their basic needs is not whining and fairness not the issue - it is a moral imperative.
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Boss H
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History and politics validates both as ways of progressing society.
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Joe from WI
Guest
You object to standards of etiquette. Why is that?
Progression comes about through time and the dialectic of all factors, individual and collective.
Since people cannot agree on a single universal road-map for the future of Mankind, civilization is like a drunk staggering down the sidewalk, taking one step backward and then two forward veering to the left til he hits a wall and then the right.into a lamp-pole .
Those of us who believe that we will finally reach perfect harmony are limited to those who have faith in God, Destiny, or the Evolution of Man.
Those who do not believe in progression, either do not see beyond their own mortality, or think we will soon become extinct as a species through some man-made or natural disaster.
But the ones you should fear, are the ones who believe that they are in possession of the one and only true universal road-map for the future of Mankind.
Since people cannot agree on a single universal road-map for the future of Mankind, civilization is like a drunk staggering down the sidewalk, taking one step backward and then two forward veering to the left til he hits a wall and then the right.into a lamp-pole .
Those of us who believe that we will finally reach perfect harmony are limited to those who have faith in God, Destiny, or the Evolution of Man.
Those who do not believe in progression, either do not see beyond their own mortality, or think we will soon become extinct as a species through some man-made or natural disaster.
But the ones you should fear, are the ones who believe that they are in possession of the one and only true universal road-map for the future of Mankind.