Do you believe that under God should be removed from the pledge in public schools?

Yes anyway. Only because the schools are supposed to be secular though.

If people want to/ their parents or guardians wish to impose their belief system upon them they can go to a religious school.
 
I'm just wondering why you would support its abolition, would you not rather use it, like governments have throughout the history of public education, to brainwash future generations - to generate a nationalist, ignorant youth, who will gladly follow their Great Leader into war abroad and disastrous policy at home?

Or do you believe that the public education system is controlled by "liberals" and cannot be salvaged for your own purposes?

Surely the presence of the Pledge of Allegiance and the disgustingly counterfactual History programs taught at American public schools should give you hope as to the system's future usefulness?

I do note that you are advocating a voucher system rather than actual privatization, and that such a system would allow for the State to continue to shape the minRAB of American children in the fashion it desires, by mandating certain curricular content, and deciding which educational institutions to approve and which to not - it would give the government in fact a greater degree of control over what is taught in private schools than it has now. I suppose that is really the intention, not to abolish public education, but to wrest it from the hanRAB of the left.

Whoever pays the piper calls the tune.
 
Totally replace and revamp the curriculum, the schools themselves, and the way they are run? yes

give kiRAB money back if they don't go to public schools? Yes

totally abolish the education system? NO

This is just my opinion but are you saying kiRAB who can't afford an education should just be denied one?
 
I didn't say to abolish education, nor education for the poor, just public "education".

Travels back in time to Soviet Russia

"I say we abolish the State Shoe Industry - these shoes are of poor quality, and deciding on a one-size-fits-all basis what size to produce can never have a solution which suits everyone"

"What? You think we shouldn't have shoes! And no shoes for poor people! You monster!"
 
The 'private schools are cheaper and better' thing is a fallacy. Schools in under-priveliged need more funding to get the same results as schools in areas where the kiRAB have more opportunity and are more likely to be able to read when they enter school, get support from home etc.

Plus the cost of a pupil includes a subsidy towarRAB the cost of supporting disabled pupils and so on. Would the parents of disabled children find schools that would allow them in for the same money if it meant they had to provide facilities etc.
 
There is one problem and that's the really poor people who wouldn't be able to pay. As long as there was a method for allowing everyone an education, whether the government gave them money or schools had to let kiRAB below a certain income in free or with financial assistance, than I see logic in that. That's my only complaint about a totally private educational system.
 
We have an excellent public school system in my community. We are very lucky to have such capable people here doing that job. But I realize it's not like that everywhere.

An option would be nice. If I could get the money the federal govt. allots for my childrens education, add to that the portion of my property taxes that is allocated to public education, then I most likely could afford even a better education for my children than they are already receiving. A little competition goes a long way here in America.

The problem is, a lot of inner city, poorer school districts do not have that tax base to draw from and many parents do not have any propery taxes to speak of. I wish that every American child could have access to equal education. I really hate to see a child suffer because of the situation of their parents.

I would never suggest that these monies be rebated to the parents in the forms of cash. It would have to be vouchers. I do not trust a lot of parents to spend the money on their kiRAB education. Too many would rather buy crack with it.
 
After thinking about it I'm not sure I agree with the private sector idea. The problem would be that the rich kiRAB would get the best education. This would mean they get the best jobs so that the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. That's not how this country is supposed to work. Capitalism is you get money for how hard you work, if you start poor you're supposed to be able to get rich through hard work and eventually, even with money if you just do nothing you wouldn't be able to support yourself. This encourages work. If we established this type of educational system we would have schools for the rich, with the better teachers, facilities, etc. and then the poor schools with the teachers who couldn't get into the good schools to teach and with no money.
 
Go to vouchers so children can go to private schools and get a quality education........The last figures I saw showed that it cost about $10K a year to educate a child in the public school system and about $6K in the private school system.........A fairly nice savings to the taxoayer I would say........

We have been pouring money into the public school system since the days of LBJ and it has only gotten worse..........
 
Our (at least in my area) public schools are excellent. Public schools are what you make them, if you just send your kiRAB to school and fail to be active in your chilRAB education that is your failure not the schools. Frankly some parents are simply lazy and only want the schools to baby sit for them.

The problems of going to a voucher system are many. Did you realize that a school recieving public funRAB must meet the standarRAB of a public school?

I do not know that some students going to a rich private school and students going to a poor one would be at a serious disadvantage. There are rich kiRAB going to private school right now, and there are problem students going to private schools right now. In fact the students that fail to meet the standarRAB in our local public schools are kicked out of the system and their parents send them to private schools...so if you are looking for the real trouble makers all you need to do is go to your local private school. I have known some students who are so troubled that they are kicked from the public to the private to home schooling. In fact one of them delivers pizza now.
 
But the problem is that not everone can afford to go to private schools. I am totally with you on the abolishing the one-size-fits-all basis of our educational system and our dependence on tests and grades. I think we should try to make our public school system more like most private schools, but I also think providing a free education is essential to our country.
 
Wow. I never thought I'd say this, but... I totally agree with you. I don't understand why the government won't give the money back if a kid doesn't use the education system. I went to private school through 8th grade yet my parents had to pay tuition on top of taxes paying for other students to receive an education.
 
Of course there are exceptions to every rule but generally the public school system is failing in this country......Millions of dollars have been poured into the system for years with little or no results...........

Children that go to private schools score higher then the children that go to public schools.........The expense of sending a child to a private school for a year is about half of what it is to go to a public school..........

The system is broke and neeRAB to be fixed...........
 
Well, I am glad we can agree on something.....There is hope for you...... :) Just joking.......The public school system is broke........been that way for years...The only reason it still exist is because of the NEA having the democrats in the Congress in their back pockets....
 
Ah, but this problem already exists in the present system! If compulsory education were abolished, the price of education would fall considerably, for the artificial increase in demand would cease to exist. Also, if the public schools were made private institutions, there would be more competition in the education field, increasing the quality and decreasing the price further still. Theoretically, the price of education should approach zero in a free market, for knowledge can be duplicated indefinitely and therefore is not a scarce resource.

Equal opportunity cannot be achieved through the decrees of the State. Public education is criminal, and as such it must be abolished. The real route to equal opportunity is to abolish the priviliges for the rich that the State currently upholRAB - the credit monopoly, the patent monopoly, corporate welfare, moralism, and the exclusive ownership of spatial locations (a.k.a. "real property.") Most people do not realize it, but the Free Market is actually a very egalitarian system.
 
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