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crispy treat
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he said that in a democracy, no section of the nation is free to break away---that to attempt to leave is rebellion. do you agree? or not?
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Islam Delenda Est
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I disagree with his premise...and I love Konstantinos, who used the quote I was looking for 
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Wyco
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Well if a state wanted to break away from the United States then yes technically that would be rebellion against the rest of the states.
I do agree with his Idea.
I do agree with his Idea.
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jeremiah
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I agree, but the states should fight for their rights and responsibilities. The states should force the federal government to get out of education, health care, and so much more.
The states should fight to lower federal income tax levels.
The states should decide how they want education, health care, local ecology and agriculture to preform.
If the federal government cannot shrink back to it's proper size and scope, the states should fight for their rights, up to and including, if necessary, open rebellion.
The states should fight to lower federal income tax levels.
The states should decide how they want education, health care, local ecology and agriculture to preform.
If the federal government cannot shrink back to it's proper size and scope, the states should fight for their rights, up to and including, if necessary, open rebellion.
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It's That Guy
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I agree with him, but sometimes I think we would be better off today if we'd allowed the south to just leave. In fact we might all be better off if we kicked Texas and Alaska out of the union. 8^)
The disagreement could have been solved better. The real mistakes were made -after- the war, in the period of reconstruction. If Lincoln had lived, it would have gone better.
The disagreement could have been solved better. The real mistakes were made -after- the war, in the period of reconstruction. If Lincoln had lived, it would have gone better.
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Celia H
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In the context of the time and place, I suspect that many Union soldiers would have been happy to see the Southern States abolish slavery and then piss off, and good riddance to them. The claim that your civil war was about states' rights always was the argument of racist apologists. It was about human rights, at least in the eyes of all right minded people, then and since.
I've never thought this was Lincoln's best argument anyway - where would it have left his own country's history? From Ireland to Tibet, the self-determination of peoples has always been one of the most basic and common aims of small or peripheral nations held prisoner by larger nations.
I've never thought this was Lincoln's best argument anyway - where would it have left his own country's history? From Ireland to Tibet, the self-determination of peoples has always been one of the most basic and common aims of small or peripheral nations held prisoner by larger nations.
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Buck Ofama
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No, not at all. In fact Jeff Davis was never brought to trial because the supreme court would rule in his favor. I bet your Ken Burns series never told you that.
Further, the reason Lincoln did not want the South to leave was the New York bankers convinced him that he could not give up 75% of gov't revenue and the warm water ports.
"What then will become of my tariff?" - Abraham Lincoln to Virginia compromise delegation, March 1861.
a further qoute:
"I have never seen to my knowledge a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social or political, between Negroes and white men." Opening speech, fourth joint debate with Douglas, Charleston, IL; 18 Sep 1858
Further, the reason Lincoln did not want the South to leave was the New York bankers convinced him that he could not give up 75% of gov't revenue and the warm water ports.
"What then will become of my tariff?" - Abraham Lincoln to Virginia compromise delegation, March 1861.
a further qoute:
"I have never seen to my knowledge a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social or political, between Negroes and white men." Opening speech, fourth joint debate with Douglas, Charleston, IL; 18 Sep 1858
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Reserved Powers
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I disagree. We are supposed to be a union of states. The states' rights as guaranteed in the Constitution have been slowly eroded. Secession should be allowed. The federal government should not force states to stay in the Union. They freely chose to join and should be free to leave.
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Konstantinos A
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abraham is such a hypocrite it is almost funny, while he was senator he said this (1848)
Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.
Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.
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Justin
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I disagree with him, because you can't claim to have independence, freedom, and that you'll protect the little guys (Monroe Doctrine) if you attack a state for seceding.
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Anna P
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What he meant was that federal rights to keep the nation together trump states' rights to secede. That makes a big difference.