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[ShikamaChU]

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That was my attempt at being slightly lighthearted and less Nazi-like. ^^
Which isn't generally a good idea here. Puu~ >_>

In black and White: They're both illegal. Downloading anything without the owner's permission is a copyright violation.
Illegal is illegal, legal is legal.
Hitokiri wa Hitokiri.... I loved that line in Kenshin. Couldn't resist. ^^.

I'm not going to debate at all. There's nothing new I could add and it'll end up nowhere anyway ^^

Just some final thoughts and clarification.

One is morally wrong, as if it's licensed and for sale in the US, you're taking money away from the artist, and not supporting the industry, and never will.

Downloading something that's not available in the US is harder to show where it deprives the industry of revenue otherwise possible.
The eternal question of whether fansubbs are helpful or not rages on.
In any case, though it’s a pain, if they wanted to persecute, they could.

The Law says if someone is hurting you say by them stealing your copyrighted stuff, you can ask for two things, damages, and punishment.
Now, if it hasn’t been released in the US, how do you really calculate figure the damage? Was there any? How many sales did they really loose? Could they have gained some with people giving something a shot they might not have?
I’m not a lawyer and I don’t play one on the internet, but it’s hard to calculate.

ANYWAY: That's a whole can of Beans I'm not getting into.^____^
(Too scary, all arguments are valid)

….Richard Stallmann.He had some good ideas. I wish they worked ;_;.

 

[Tony K.]

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Well, follow the rules within reason, of course.

Of course, of course. I was just trying to tease you a little ^_^'.

Personally, if I were a mod I probably wouldn't be able to keep up with maybe even half of the "violations" I see around here. There're just too many (most of them being very miniscule).

I see lots of one-liners, cosmo threads, and bad grammar, but I don't want to seem like a prick and report each and every one of them (either because I'm too lazy, don't care, or both), not to mention I want to give the mods a break since they've got more important things to do like post news, do interviews, contact office people from all sorts of companies, and so on.

If I see something totally out of line (like "where can I download 'such and such' anime") I'll of course report it, but for the most part I'm pretty lenient and am not bothered at all by what's posted a majority of the time.

 

[biliano]

Requesting Downloads is NOT Allowed

Yeah, that's true :wink:

 

[fighterholic]

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What about if my website isn't related to anime?

 

[Meson]

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Dowloading files is legal, provided that the copyright owners permit it, nothing more, nothing less.


THis thread should of been made first.

 

[TranquilSlogan]

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well that tells all. thanks for being knowledgable and not a floosie download war pirate.

 

[Samurai-with-glasses]

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What about Animes that aren't licened?

I'm not a staff, but the general consensus is still can't.

I presume ANN wishes to seperate itself from any possible liabilities, especially since the "unlicensed" products are actually most likely licensed in Japan, and both Japan and the United States are signatories of international copyrights laws.

Just google whatever you need. It's easy enough without bothering ANN anyway.

 

[Psycho 101]

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There are no 'degrees of legal' - either it is legal, or it is not (i.e. either it breaks a law or it doesn't

If that were true, than watching illegal fansubs and commiting murder would be the same thing. :roll:

You're being silly. Severity and legality are two different things. A murderer or a rapist is much more heinous than a petty little teenager wanting to watch free cartoons, yes. BUT they are both still illegal, plain and simple. There is no "how illegal is it?," but rather there's "it's illegal, period, but how horrific are its consequences?" You're trying to claim one is the other, and you're just sounding ridiculous for it.

There's either legal or illegal, nothing in-between.

As a criminal Justice major I'm gonna have to back Nagisa up on this. There is no in-between, just the consequences. The law is the law, any way you break it you're still breaking it. There's no I broke it 75% versus I broke it 20%. Either you did or you didn't. The severity of how you broke the law determines the outcome for your actions. Obviously Jim Bob the pedophile will get a much harder sentence then Jane Doe the downloader. The CONSEQUENCES are proportional to the crime, not the law itself. Now for the next one;

There are no 'degrees of legal' - either it is legal, or it is not (i.e. either it breaks a law or it doesn't

I beg to differ, and my accountant as well. Not only are there loopholes and other way of getting around the law. There are other shades of gray when it comes to laws.

Ok you and your accountant can just walk off a short pier. Make it a long one if you're a lawyer because if you are you spend your life twisting the law and confusing jurors for your clients. The shades of grey you mention are due to people who go out of their way to make it that way. The grey comes up when lawyers confuse jurors, or someone wants to dispute a law because the punctuation makes it mean something different. Those are examples of how grey comes around. As for getting around the law. Again, only those going out of their way to do it make that happen. You can't be charged for something if there is no law regarding it, that is true. That's where lawyers and other people make their money. Finding those minute details that aren't actual laws yet, or by distorting the already passed laws. There shouldn't be any loopholes at all but thanks to sneaky little weasels there are, and guilty people get off thanks to it while some innocent people suffer due to it. This isn't the case all the time obviously, but it shouldn't happen period. Guilty should be guilty period. There should be more personal responcibility and accountibility then tere is.

 

[sunchan]

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so, if i only ask the text fansub file for a raw I allready have, is it bad?

 

[biliano]

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Dowloading files is legal, provided that the copyright owners permit it, nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly. As long as the owners allow it, it's OK. If they don't, then that's where we have problems. Most often than not, copyright owners do not allow people to download their material, especially from bittorent websites.

The point of this thread is clear: ANN does NOT allow the discussion of download requests or how/where to view them. It's stated in Teh Rules, and I provided the statement that tempest posted a while ago on this very topic.

 

[darkchibi07]

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Well, at least it'll be easier to link this thread than going through the other forum and finding "Teh Rules" thread. :roll:

 

[Sarki-Kun]

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I don't like acting as the demon's lawyer, but I don't find any other good option.

Edo is right with what he says. In my own country (Spain), for example, that takes place. Since the first of october of 2004, it is legal to download intelectual property while you don't take any profit out of it. Of course, it is still illegal to upload, but if there is no proof that you've sold what you have downloaded, the Police won't come to your house to arrest you.

That, of course, for Spanish material. I don't know very well the situation with other material (like US artists). I should ask, but it could be that this rule also applies for this kind of media.

Don't get me wrong, I also think this is incorrect and shouldn't be this way. But I am not a politician. Just a normal user, one out of nearly 40,000,000.

 

[Meson]

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I was hoping that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) wouldn't get brought up because it opens a whole new can of worms. Case and point - I have a CD that I want to make a copy of to play in my car on a long trip, under the fair use laws this is acceptable as long as I don't get my copy to anyone and it is for my personal use. Now here is where things get interesting, when I start to make the copy at my computer I find out that it is a CD-E (a Blue Book format CD with an audio and data section) with both a that has anti-copy software on the CD. According the DMCA there is nothing I can do at this point to copy the CD without violating the DMCA; however, under copyright fair use the software is preventing me from making a legal copy of the CD for my use.

FYI: you can leagally make a copy of a CD-E and not violate the DMCA. The method is similar to how you can legally copy DVDs:

Play the CD in a stand-alone CD player with speakers, and have your computer record from the microphone. Once you convert the microphone recordings to MP3. You would have a legal MP3 copy of the CD-E disc.

For DVDs. Play the DVD in one player with a TV hook up. Aim a video camera at the TV., and record off the TV playback. Then, all you need is to burn the video recording to a blank DVD, and you will have your copy.


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[Nagisa]

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Yes but what if it's really expensive, and you can get them for free online? cough*Doki Doki School Hours*cough

You must be too young to remember a little thing called Napster. Just because someone's intellectual property is offered for free online doesn't make it legal. The only way that happens is if it's the property owners themselves offering it.

 

[Kazuki-san]

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I hope that this will help, but I'm willing to bet I will still be reporting at least one post a week about downloads.

 

[Tony K.]

Requesting Downloads is NOT Allowed

so, if i only ask the text fansub file for a raw I allready have, is it bad?

It's part of making a fansub, so yeah, it's just as bad since you already have the first half and are looking to download the rest.

 

[dgreater1]

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Awww.... bad grammars.... what would you do if an avarage japanese person stumbled upon this site and ask "Where I am?" or something not similar to "Where am I?"? ^_^

single line + you know what... :lol:

 

[Deltakiral]

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What about Animes that aren't licened?

No downloads of any kind. except official trailer

Users may not request or link to bootlegs, fansubs, scanlations, active fan-translating groups, peer-to-peer networks, timed scripts, MP3s, unauthorized movie clips, or websites that house these groups or products.

So no unlicense shows, sorry that just the rules.

Edit: Changed due to Dormcat comment

 

[Abunai]

Requesting Downloads is NOT Allowed

Awww.... bad grammars.... what would you do if an avarage japanese person stumbled upon this site and ask "Where I am?" or something not similar to "Where am I?"? ^_^

single line + you know what... :lol:

The Rules make allowance for non-native English speakers, but it is strongly advised that people start out by saying that English isn't their first language. It helps clear up any possible misunderstandings, and lets the moderators know that lenience is indicated.

If you worry about this, PM Sarki-kun, one of our best regular posters, whose first language is Spanish, and ask him whether he's ever felt that it was a problem.

- abunai

 

[Steventheeunuch]

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If free fansubs are illegal than 3/4 of anime fans are criminals. Some sites say it's legal some say it's not.

A criminal is someone who has actually been convicted of a crime. Given the spread of technology, it's impossible to say that people don't do something illegal once in a while (unless they're out to prove people wrong, in which case they will activley try not to do those things) because everyone doesn't know better, or activley doesn't want to know better.

Fact of the matter is that at the very least, the U.S and Japan (assume we're just talking US here, that can include England and Australia) are part of the Berne Convention and recognise international copyrights, so it's illegal to produce a copy unless you are authorized by the copyright holder to do so (which you aren't. )