Digimon Adventure 02 on CR and Funi Talkback (spoilers)

That's true and I really liked seeing DNA Digivolution in this series. I don't think that it's anywhere nearly as awesome as Biomerge Digivolution, but I still thought that it was pretty cool to see two Digimon becoming one Ultimate/Mega form. Besides that, Ken does really get some nice development in the second half of the series.



That would have been one awesome twist. Even though I didn't mind how Vamdemon appeared out of nowhere like he does at the end, I definitely wouldn't have mind it if Oikawa was the final villain since it would have been interesting to have a human for a final villain. Though, I really did find his end at the last episode so wonderfully tragic.
 
As stated before I think for the sake of the discussion we should keep up with the Crunchyroll release to have a sense of pacing, but this is still great news. Thanks!

O-chan
 
Well Kurata was the ultimate villain in Saver, but he wasn't the final villain, that was Yggdrasil.

What I have learned, is each Digimon season the rule of the villains is have one more powerful than the next. Vamdemon was the most evilest villain in the original Adventures (IMO the most evilest villain ever), but he wasn't the most powerful, the Dark Masters were more powerful because they had to go an extra level to beat them.

I think is goes without saying Yggdrasil is way more powerful than Kurata. A Digimon god and a human, no contest. I think what there thinking is, a human can't be the most powerful villain, and thus the final villain.

Sometimes you can be the most powerful and the most evil, Frontiers is a prime example. Lucemon was the most powerful, but the most evilest villain as well.
 
That's great news. I didn't mind having to go through the series with one episode a week, but I definitely don't mind having few more episodes to watch either every week. Maybe this would mean that they'll release another subbed version of a Digimon series. I'm hoping for either Tamers or Adventure 01 since it would be cool to see how the whole Adventure series started in the original version and Tamers is my favorite Digimon series yet.
 
Episode 29: ARUKENIMON: THE MISTAKE OF THE SPIDER WOMAN
Episode 30: BLACKWARGREYMON-DARK ULTIMATE FORM
Episode 31: SILPHYMON: THE STORM OF LOVE

Oh, how I've longed for the day to one day hear Hiyama as BlackWargreymon (HIKARI NI NAAAAARREEEEEE) Oh wait, wrong amime...

Does anyone else feel that Silphymon doesn't make any sense? I mean, not as bad as Shakkoumon but it's just kind of weird-looking. Then again, it is a small cat fusing with a giant eagle.
 
That's true. Even though the Kaiser arc is so long, I've heard people say that it was there to develop Ken's character. Though, I think that the writers could have made it shorter, or overall better, to make that same point. He was the only one of the new main characters that really had a developed background. The only thing I remeraber for Iori was about his father and how that connected to the last few episodes. Other than their siblings, I don't remeraber much about Miyako or Daisuke's backgrounRAB.



Considering that the next episode focuses more on Takeru and Hikari, that would balance things out. As for your main issue, I can definitely understand that. I like how Daisuke is so carefree, but that job of his was really weird and it came out of nowwhere.
 
The problem I had with that thinking, is Ken did not develop at all till the end of the Kaiser arc. He is the same person without any character development at the begin of the series and the beginning of the last episode of the arc, and than they cram all of the development in the second half of the last episode of Kaiser arc.

Two characters that got on my nerves later on was Miyako and Iroi, first with their cold unforgiven attitude for someone. But what really got on my nerves is how far they went with being pacifese. I don't mind a pacifese (spelling?) attitude, but it went too far that it was ridiculous. What person in their right mind would just sit there and let bad guys hurt and maybe kill innocent people because good lord we can't kill anyone. They crossed the lines of pacifese to altra liberal wimps. They were as bad as Aang from Avatar. "I can't kill a digimon good or evil, but it is okay if a bunch of innocent people get serious injuried and some even killed because that is a real Digimon."

My thoughts on the next villains in the series after Ken speaking of bad guys.

I couldn't help but love Mummymon. There is some inner sweetness in the guy. Deep down he is a good guy for sure. He was just born under the wrong circumstances.

Even though they never did anything to redem themselfs, showed no remouce for anything, I felt sorry or sad when Arukenimon and Mummymon died. And I was furious with BeliaVamdemon for killing them, almost if not equally for him killing good digimon Wizzmon, Pumpmon, and Gotsumon. When those characters die I vengefully wanted Vamdemon to suffer.

Arukenimon and Mummymon ended up being good guys or not? The writers seemed to want us not to hate them at the very end, and feel some what bad for their deaths. If you compare those that died at the hanRAB of Vamdemon, Arukenimon and Mummymon's death reserables Wizzmon, Pumpmon, and Gotsumon's deaths more than PicoDevimon.

I wish the ending would have given a more happy hopfully ending for them. In those 50 years at some point, they should have been reborn as good digimon. If the Evil Legendary Warrior can have a redemption reincarnation, why not them?
 
So anybody else watched the latest episode?

As far as non-pc attacks go you can't beat 'EXTREME JIHAD!!!' its pretty wicked awesome too. What was the dub name of that attack again?

T'was a pretty dramatic episode... I liked it. Too bad next ep is kinda sucky.

Anybody notice how everyone seemed slightly off-model? ESPECIALLY Tailmon...she looked a lot more slender and humanoid that usual oO
 
I understand that. I guess that there wasn't much of any sign for Ken's development until near the end of that arc. The writers could have made that development less rushed, but I guess they just didn't want to go with that.



I can definitely understand that for Iori. When they first met Ken, after learning he was the Digimon Kaiser, I thought that calling him a disgrace to humanity, or something of that nature, was kind of harsh. Sure, Ken was being a complete jerk, but that just felt too much. As for Miyako, I didn't think that she was so unforgiving of Ken. She was one of the few people who gave him kind of a welcomed feeling after he came back to the Digital World, next to Daisuke that is. Besides, she did end up marrying him, for some odd reason.

I can also understand why they wouldn't want to kill either. They were in an emotionally tough spot when faced with possibly killing Digimon. Yes, the original cast were able to do it, but Miyako and Iori were different in that regard. Though, I can also understand why it could be seen as annoying for some people. At the very least, they could fight back to protect the people.

As for your comparsion with Aang's behavior, I'm not sure if that really works. Aang grew up in an Air Temple, where he was taught to believe that killing is never the answer. He was taught to fight to defend himself and other people, but it went against his moral beliefs to actually kill another person. I personally respect that and I agree with that choice as well. As for Miyako and Iori, I don't think it was about violating their personal beliefs. I think that it was more like they were scared to actually kill another life, which, I would imagine, be scary to think about. To me, both cases feel too different to compare.

My thoughts on the next villains in the series after Ken speaking of bad guys.



I understand that. I actually thought that they were really funny villains. I thought that their deaths in the dub were pretty sad, especially how Mummymon wanted to avenge Arukenimon. Not to mention how the DigidestineRAB were too shocked to look at their deaths.
 
I liked this episode! I like Miyako and Shurimon, the Gekomon and Otamamon were funny with their 'Geko!' and 'tama!' ending.

Floramon going "This is too much hard work, I'm just going to take a nap!" was cute.

It was a fun episode. Not a lot of content but enjoyable. The everyday life scenes weren't bad...though I could have done without Daisuke's bath scene

Did anybody notice there was something written on the bottles at the begining? It was in red and not subtitled. I bet it was something like "Property of Jun! Don't touch! That means you Daisuke!!"
 
I still have all of Tamers on tape well all but one episode... I should resume my transfering of it to DVD format... though I'm not certain I got my equipment set up correctly for it at the moment...

In any case I agree with you Lucario-chan, I certainly don't mind more episodes and would LOVE to get another Digimon serie! This has been SO MUCH FUN so far! I get exited just waiting for the new episodes to become available, even if I've seen it before and even if I could just dust up my recordings and watch ahead.

Getting Tamers or the original serie (which I only have partially on tape, from 'City Under Siege' to the last episode) would kick so much behind the entirety of China would have trouble sitting for a week

I also wish TOEI would put up Saint Seiya >.>
 
Last time: The final battle against Kimeramon began as stock footage aplenty was thrown around like it was nobody's business. Now that Davis has found a mysterious deus-ex-machina...I mean, Golden Digimental, Magnamon has arisen and he's ready to kick some Digi-butt!

Oh god, that was a worse joke than anything Fox KiRAB' dub ever made...

Episode 21: GOOD-BYE, KEN-CHAN.....

Review later but first...EXTREME JIHAD!!! (BTW, Undrave, it was Magna Blast...yeah, I know....)
 
And so...
Here starts what back-in-the-day was referred to the "infantile slapping" on the show. It was one thing when Daisuke slapped Ken back to his senses in Episode 26 but when you have Miyako slapping Ken in Episode 30, then Hikari slapping Miyako and Miyako later slapping Hikari all in Episode 31 it starts to get a little bit curabersome.

Surprisingly all these slaps were left uncut in the dub version. We've come such a long way from Sailor Moon and Pokemon days.

Yeah kiddies, way to resolve issues with your frienRAB is to commit assault.

O-chan
 
-And so Magnamon makes his appearance. I have quite a few memories of this episode because Fox KiRAB was hyping it up for a long time when Digimon was on then. And hey who could blame me? I mean, this was a completely new totally awesome new evolution. I was definitely on the edge of my seat upon seeing the original even after all that time.

-That being said, this was a pretty sad episode (Man, a lot of Ken's whipping of Wormmon was cut). I was pretty sure that Wormmon was dead before I remerabered the whole Digi-egg thing. Also, was it me or was this a lot more....morbid than when it was dubbed. I mean, Takeru just said in a completely flat voice, "He's...dead..." Jeez, don't let the kiRAB have hope or anything why dont you.

-Okay, I love Romi Paku but I think that Prince pulled the whole Wormmon's death scene so much better. When you hear the dub, I almost think that Ken is blubbering and seriously losing it when he goes into despair.

-So...did Ken make his clothes (and apparantly his hair) out of data or what was up with that?

-And Jun ruins the moment as usual
 
I thought that this was a really great and intense episode. Of course, it was really sad too. Magnamon's fight with Kimeramon was totally awesome. It was cool to see how strong the Magn Punch and Kick attacks were. Ken, of course, was still focused on Kimeramon, which was really sad.

I felt like I was going to cry when Wormmon began that speech. That was so touching. All he wanted was for Magnamon to save Ken. I kind of liked the dub name for the attack, Maga Explosion, better since it feels more approrpiate for the attack. It was so cool to see Magnamon defeat Kimeramon like that. Too bad that's its only appearance in this series, but it was still worth it.

I was still surprised that Ken still thought that it was all a game, but at least he finally understood what he did wrong. Too bad Wormmon died right in his arms and he remerabered the awful feeling of losing his brother.



That's a good point. I'm surprised that they didn't mention how Wormmon would be reborn in this episode. Takeru did sound pretty flat when he said that. You would think that either he or Hikari, both who know about how Digimon are reborn, would tell him that.



I completely agree with you. I thought that Derek Prince had much more emotion during that scene in the dub. I remeraber hearing about how he was actually crying while doing that scene, which would make sense considering it is highly depressing and you can really feel that pain in Ken's voice. I also preferred how Davis was urging Ken to join them instead of how Daisuke just kept on shouting for him to go home. I know that Daisuke does care, but saying "Go home" like that didn't sit right for me.



I thought that it was explained later on in the series that he kind of wished for that outfit. Of course, that's just from what I know from the dub.



True. I just figured that after a depressing end to the battle that the writers wanted to have something for comedy relief, which is where Jun enters. I did get a good laugh with how Yamatto had to go with her. I thought some of his lines in the dub were funnier, but it still was funny here. I did feel so bad for Ken when we just see him lying in his bed all depressed. At least that won't last for too long.

Overall, it was a great episode and a good way to end the fight with Digimon Kaiser. It was so emotional too, but it helps to know that Ken will recover. I'll enjoy seeing Ken's origin episode in a couple of weeks, as well the next episode next week.
 
I am surprised they didn't bring back Mummymon for any of the future series, while they used him in the Digimon X - Evolution movie.

Off topic, but I have an episode idea on how to use Mummymon, as a classic don't judge a book by its cover character. Inspired by my experience watching him in Digimon E - Evolution. I knew Mummymon was a good guy, but I couldn't help but think he was going to do something bad, because of the way he spun his head around and his sinister looking smile. I felt very uneasy whenever he spun his head or smiled throughout the movie

My episode idea for a non excistence Digimon series, the heros are in the digital world looking for something, they bump into Mummymon who offers aid, they accept, but one of the kiRAB doesn't trust Mummymon based on the way he looks. Prefably the untrusting kid would be a girl who I envision as similar to early season 1 Mimi, someone who is easily spoofed, They later meet another Digimon who looks "more heroic", but it turns out the good looking Digimon is really a bad guy, during the battle, Mummymon sacrifices himself to safe the kid that didn't trust him's life, a very emotional scene in which the kid would yell out Mummymon's name, and cry out loud, her sadness gives the ability for her Digimon to evolove to the next level and beat the enemy. She learns the lesson not to judge a book by its cover, but still loses a friend in Mummymon.

I know sound a lot like episode 14 of Digimon Adventures 02 Shurimon Of The Wind, I guess it would be similar with the same lesson, only much more emotional and intense. Tell me what you think?
 
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