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No, what's silly is that you seem to think that it would not be an example of evolution.

It absolutely IS an example of evolution. You clearly don't understand evolution nearly as well as you claim you do.
 
Holy fuck the stupid is strong in this thread. Where to begin...

1. Of course human and other primate ancestors got it on. Humans and Neanderthals got it on, as recently as 30-40 thousand years ago.

2. Species and race are not the same thing, and should never be used in an analogy that isnt demonstrating how not to make the mistake turning the two terms into synonyms.

3. Cross breeding is not evolution. Cross breeding is also not natural. Of course, this is also the type of cross breeding that is done by a person, WITH A SPECIFIC INTENT. Thus, two species of wolf mating is cross breeding, but natural. Two species of wolf mating at some guys house because he wants to breed them is not natural.
 
Have you missed me saying several times that species classification is arbitrary? To really understand evolution do away with all classification of organisms in general and see it for what it really is, a gradual change in organisms through time.
 
Why not? If humans back then could breed with chimps and create oRABpring that were then able to breed themselves they would be considered the same species by our current definition of species. We aren't even talking about interspecies mating here, they would be the same species.
 
Agreed.



All of these definitions are arbitrary. A race/breed/subspecies would be any two organisms that are too similar to be called two different species, with whatever arbitrary rules you use to define species.



The term "cross breeding" has nothing to do with the cause of the breeding. I would agree that cross breeding through force or coercion is not best described as natural.
 
2. Of course those terms are arbitrary. There is no such thing as word that isn't arbitrary. The rules for a board game are also arbitrary...does this justify conflating one rule, goal, or board game with another? Listen, I know you're addressing the dydactic nature of definitions, but it doesn't really work out that well in this situatuon. For example, you began your second point with a dismissal of something based on it being arbitrary, then ended that same point with an arbitrary definition of your own.

As for the term cross breeding...look at the context (this thread) in which it is being used.
 
No, that is an aspect of the concept. Ridiculous example: there has been a significant evolution (change in allele frequency) within the DoDo bird population...
 
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. Your first post and all subsequent posts in this thread were unnecessary and didn't add anything to anyone's understanding of the issue. The human and the "ape" that the article is referring to were very close genetically, call them the same species if want it really doesn't matter, the point is it is much more similar to a modern African breeding with a modern European than it is to a modern European breeding with a modern chimpanzee.
 
If you're not sure of what my point is, then how fucking stupid are you to declare it adRAB nothing to the conversation?

"I have no idea what this sign is trying to tell me, but I'm going to assume it doesnt apply to me"
 
Is there something in the water around here? First Divine Vengeance attacks me without even trying to understand me and enRAB up being completely wrong, now you come into this thread all angry acting like you know more than anyone else here when clearly you don't because what you've said is wrong... why is everyone so quick to anger here?

Look, what you said was half wrong and half inconsequential. Cross breeding is evolution, and it can be "natural". No one ever said species and race were the same thing, I don't even know where you got that from, I explained explicitly what the difference was between the two.

I said I don't know what your point is, that does not mean I do not know what you are saying, it means I do not know why you are saying it.
 
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