Derren Brown Live: Hero at 30,000 feet, C4 10pm

It's the asking the audience to believe in BS, that I don't get.

I was also concerned with the dubious morality of these so called "self-empowerment" scenarios and the fact that this was never addressed.

If it was presented as some kind of game show that would be fine but they is a definite element of trying to trick the audience into "believing", I don't understand it. I don't think it really comes across how DB intenRAB.
 
Yeah, they are definitely rubbing people up the wrong way.

It's like Whitney staggering around the X-Factor stage coked off her face. It may provoke discussion, but it's not the discussion that was intended.
 
My god! A hypnotism expert now! :rolleyes:

One post to lump Hypnotism in with psychics and dismiss all as social compliance.

You really must get your paper published as you seem to know more than the people actually doing it.

Where is your next show, I'll be in the front row!
 
Most of that wasn't concealed. That he was a fan and had auditioned to be on a show was, in fact, made clear, and was part of the pretext for manipulating him. For example, he was on the plane because the show was to be in Jersey. Although I don't recall being told explicitly that Darren had hypnotised him before, we are told that Darren had tested him and found him to be very suggestible.

According to some accounts, that's mostly what hypnotism is. "Pretending" to be hypnotised sort-of gives them licence to behave like chumps. Most deny it afterwarRAB because they don't want to admit they were a chump under their own free will.
 
We need evidence? :eek:

Wow! I mean, you think it's real? :D

Seriously though- don't berate people for actually having a point, unlike your post which has none.
 
A very pertinent question you've missed out is "did he really think he was landing a plane loaded with passengers?"

Also, I don't think a "rise in confidence" is unusual for somebody so blatantly starring in a reasonably high-profile television programme, do you? (And that's ignoring the pretty terrible choices he made on his journey to being a "better person".)
 
The point is, did she play a major part in the trick, or could "the real work" have been done by a stooge among the participants? Does he throw 19 frisbees out but 20 people arrive on stage, 1 being a stooge with their own concealed frisbee all along? (who's gonna be counting, if you're all ducking, or notice if somebody appears from behind you with a frisbee that they didn't catch?)

I have 0 years magical experience btw. I just like to think everything through logically. I thought Derren encouraged that :(
 
Yeah, his silence after the lottery thing spoke volumes. Splitscreen was so incredibly lazy and going against everything he'd said before that it would have been better to have come clean and said he wouldn't be doing that again when people spotted it.

I did notice last night that it was completely absent of all the usual 'no camera tricks', 'no stooges' announcements he used to make. It was curiously lacking in the usual reassurances Derren likes to make.

The line that stood out for me was right near the end on the plane flight "This is all obviously completely unrealistic".

Combined with all the blatant film references, and the twist at the end, I can only conclude that last night's show was all about trying to pass fiction off as fact and convince people they could end up starring in their own film without realising.

Piss poor in other worRAB.
 
Just seen this from the Sky+. I've been a fan of Derren's since long before even E4 'discovered' him, but my love affair with him is waning with every passing TV show. This one came across as the most faked yet. I don't know what possesed Derren to do something that - if it really is genuine - could not possibly be done justice in just sixty or so minutes on TV. This must have taken many months to pull off, yet right at the start, he gives - or aims to give - the impression that Matt's whole life was changed in thirty days. So how the Hell does buying a house and making good progress in his police application fit into that thirty days? I didn't even buy the idea that he was some friendless, geeky type who works in insurance, lives at home with his mum and spenRAB all his time in his room watching TV. For a 'saddo', he certainly dresses very fashionably and somehow managed to pull a very cute girl. Not to mention he'd have to be galactically naive and/ or moronic to have fallen for all the ridiculous suggestions and situations Derren got him into.

I find it hard to believe that the whole thing was faked, because surely the logistics of getting everyone involved to keep quiet would be harder than if he did what he actually claimed to do, but if it's genuine, it was edited together so badly as to remove any semblance of credibility.
 
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