Derren Brown Live: Hero at 30,000 feet, C4 10pm
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infraredcentipede
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Lol, exactly. As if they'd get some random dude.
Antoinnette
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I have never been more unmoved by a programme finale in my life and that is saying something. What a load of BS. All respect for Derren has now gone.
XxXchangingsoulXxX
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At least Jet2 fly where they say they're going to fly. On Ryanair you might land 100 miles from the city you thought you were going to.
AVL? No such thing. Nor does a ground computer or radar "talk to the plane". I suspect the pilot was trying to give a simplified explanation of autoland, which does exist in many airliners, has done since the mid 1960s.
I agree the programme was crap though.
Because it's fun to discuss the flaws and failings of a poorly made show like this. So bad it's good. This thread was the best part of the show.
What amazes me is why people defend him when he presents drivel like this. The theory is it's all fake so only the audience was fooled. Surely that's true of all TV drama, all are fiction made with actors, designed to entertain the viewers. So what does DB add except for a few faked "candid camera" sequences? It matters not that he's been amazing in previous shows. What did he do which was amazing in THIS show?
He might have tricked the gullible. From the moment he left a jack-in-the-box on the doorstep the show screamed "scripted set-up." How many people of Matt's age (or even a lot older) will have seen such a thing, yet Matt picked it up and cranked the handle. Most people these days would be looking for an on/off button instead.
The scene with the train was laughably poor. The train at some points appeared to be stationary. The view from the cab showed a completely different scene. As others have pointed out, the scene by the tracks was clearly shot from several normal cameras, yet Matt somehow didn't notice the crew. He's in a straitjacket for the first time, yet somehow miraculously manages to perform an escape at the last minute.
Who's gullible enough to be fooled by this, apart from the posters to Derren's blog?
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As for the "live" bit it was clear the flight scene was going to be recorded when they showed a clip of it in the "coming next" before an ad break. "Live" was a con to get people to watch who might think the last part "at 30,000 feet" was going to happen for real.
The landing in the simulator was farcical. Not even Derren Brown could have hypnotised someone who has never seen an airliner flightdeck be able to land simply with someone talking to them. A complete novice can do it with a bit of assistance from someone in the other seat, but with the Captain passed out and the First Officer nowhere to be seen...
AVL? No such thing. Nor does a ground computer or radar "talk to the plane". I suspect the pilot was trying to give a simplified explanation of autoland, which does exist in many airliners, has done since the mid 1960s.
I agree the programme was crap though.
Because it's fun to discuss the flaws and failings of a poorly made show like this. So bad it's good. This thread was the best part of the show.
What amazes me is why people defend him when he presents drivel like this. The theory is it's all fake so only the audience was fooled. Surely that's true of all TV drama, all are fiction made with actors, designed to entertain the viewers. So what does DB add except for a few faked "candid camera" sequences? It matters not that he's been amazing in previous shows. What did he do which was amazing in THIS show?
He might have tricked the gullible. From the moment he left a jack-in-the-box on the doorstep the show screamed "scripted set-up." How many people of Matt's age (or even a lot older) will have seen such a thing, yet Matt picked it up and cranked the handle. Most people these days would be looking for an on/off button instead.
The scene with the train was laughably poor. The train at some points appeared to be stationary. The view from the cab showed a completely different scene. As others have pointed out, the scene by the tracks was clearly shot from several normal cameras, yet Matt somehow didn't notice the crew. He's in a straitjacket for the first time, yet somehow miraculously manages to perform an escape at the last minute.
Who's gullible enough to be fooled by this, apart from the posters to Derren's blog?
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As for the "live" bit it was clear the flight scene was going to be recorded when they showed a clip of it in the "coming next" before an ad break. "Live" was a con to get people to watch who might think the last part "at 30,000 feet" was going to happen for real.
The landing in the simulator was farcical. Not even Derren Brown could have hypnotised someone who has never seen an airliner flightdeck be able to land simply with someone talking to them. A complete novice can do it with a bit of assistance from someone in the other seat, but with the Captain passed out and the First Officer nowhere to be seen...
dgrissom17
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Live at 30,000 feet not so live.
sublimeshawna
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No .
The point of the show was to provide entertainment and provide revenue for those who made it.
As far as the entertainment part is concerned, it failed for many (probably most) viewers.
How anyone can think that the train scene was anything other than a set-up is beyond me.
The fact that C4 (as they must) are able to defend it against ofcom is because they *know* it wasn't as it appeared and that Matt was never in any real physical danger.
In other worRAB it was a carefully stage-managed piece of theatre and what the viewers were shown was very different from what someone at the actual scene would have seen - there certainly wasn't anyone tied to a railway track with a train bearing down on them...
The point of the show was to provide entertainment and provide revenue for those who made it.
As far as the entertainment part is concerned, it failed for many (probably most) viewers.
How anyone can think that the train scene was anything other than a set-up is beyond me.
The fact that C4 (as they must) are able to defend it against ofcom is because they *know* it wasn't as it appeared and that Matt was never in any real physical danger.
In other worRAB it was a carefully stage-managed piece of theatre and what the viewers were shown was very different from what someone at the actual scene would have seen - there certainly wasn't anyone tied to a railway track with a train bearing down on them...
Classy Clarissa
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I was going to say something along those lines.
Normally, something this dire I would switch over/off but because it is Derren, I'm staying tuned out of what my well be totally misguided loyalty.
I'm hoping the big twist is its all a joke at the expense of his drippy best make.
Normally, something this dire I would switch over/off but because it is Derren, I'm staying tuned out of what my well be totally misguided loyalty.
I'm hoping the big twist is its all a joke at the expense of his drippy best make.
likkle Philosopher! xD
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Of course they were paid. I never felt that the people in the petrol station weren't in on it.
seyton manning
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...just checking into this thread after a few days absence - can't believe it's burning this intently still!
Apologies if this has been brought up elsewhere on this thread (there's an AWFUL lot on here to try and go through), but wouldn't this guy, "Matt" have realised, once in the simulator that the scene out of the window wasn't actually real? I know he was probably quite sleeply and confused....but still......come on?!!! It wouldn't have fooled me!
I mean, I know computer graphics have come along way, but, even simulator ones are still no match for "real life" and I am very surprised that something didn't twig with him.....you know, something along the lines of...... "Hey, whats going on? Why am I now looking at CGI out of the window??"
Sorry, just me being a bit cynical.
Apologies if this has been brought up elsewhere on this thread (there's an AWFUL lot on here to try and go through), but wouldn't this guy, "Matt" have realised, once in the simulator that the scene out of the window wasn't actually real? I know he was probably quite sleeply and confused....but still......come on?!!! It wouldn't have fooled me!
I mean, I know computer graphics have come along way, but, even simulator ones are still no match for "real life" and I am very surprised that something didn't twig with him.....you know, something along the lines of...... "Hey, whats going on? Why am I now looking at CGI out of the window??"
Sorry, just me being a bit cynical.
CrAyOnS O_o
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You are giving him too much credit. His TV shows are about tricking the audience now, not the participants.
It was painfully obvious with the National Lottery fiasco, and tonight was even more blatant than that.
It was painfully obvious with the National Lottery fiasco, and tonight was even more blatant than that.
The horse racing episode was different.
Listen carefully now ok? (I hate to be this patronising, but you clearly didn't get it).
He sent out thousanRAB of emails with every possible win scenario...
He was wrong for 99% of the people he sent emails to.
He was right for one person- he got four wins right for that person, who then had ultimate faith in him, when really, he was only right because he'd sent so many goddamn emails out in the first place!
It was simple probability and actually used some intelligence, unlike his later shows.
Please don't compare them, just because you don't understand the differance...
Listen carefully now ok? (I hate to be this patronising, but you clearly didn't get it).
He sent out thousanRAB of emails with every possible win scenario...
He was wrong for 99% of the people he sent emails to.
He was right for one person- he got four wins right for that person, who then had ultimate faith in him, when really, he was only right because he'd sent so many goddamn emails out in the first place!
It was simple probability and actually used some intelligence, unlike his later shows.
Please don't compare them, just because you don't understand the differance...
HannahTheSwearBear
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Well with people like you Derren must be a happy man right now.
You're basically saying he can make any old nonsense as a television problem, with as many editing and camera mistakes as he likes, with obvious actors, the most ridiculous situations possible, use sloppy video effects, anything he wants to the point the claimed illusion fails to convince.
The faker it looks the better, because for you that is the trick. So he might as well indeed fake it all, because that is a HELL of a lot easier way to make a TV show.
To me, this is a bad illusionist. To you the Emperor is wearing the most amazing clothes tonight
You're basically saying he can make any old nonsense as a television problem, with as many editing and camera mistakes as he likes, with obvious actors, the most ridiculous situations possible, use sloppy video effects, anything he wants to the point the claimed illusion fails to convince.
The faker it looks the better, because for you that is the trick. So he might as well indeed fake it all, because that is a HELL of a lot easier way to make a TV show.
To me, this is a bad illusionist. To you the Emperor is wearing the most amazing clothes tonight
freepetrhyme
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Actually, to extend the film references in tonight's show.
This was Derren Brown's Blair Witch Project. It all happened, honest guv.
This was Derren Brown's Blair Witch Project. It all happened, honest guv.
Angry Grandma 2.0
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Yeah..get a room.
thursdaylsr
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But it was Derren Brown - he used to be so good. So we still, despite recent Casino & Lottery experiences, expect something good. And we got utter sh!te.
It's the difference from his early and great shows to this sh!te that is worthy of comment. I just can't understand why he would have made this sh!te
Harper Lee never wrote another novel after 'To Kill A Mocking Bird'. which meant she never disappointed. If you can't better what you did before, quit.
It's the difference from his early and great shows to this sh!te that is worthy of comment. I just can't understand why he would have made this sh!te
Harper Lee never wrote another novel after 'To Kill A Mocking Bird'. which meant she never disappointed. If you can't better what you did before, quit.
Its quite weird that Derren isnt recognising or accepting the large % of people who thought it was rubbish.. it does seem the mans a bit delusional about it all.
And the comments on his blog are odd too.. either fake or completely edited to present only a positive spin to it.. going against every other discussion forum where its been panned by about 95% of the people... unless as i said before its all a charade, he is still 'acting' and its about an excecise in gullibility. All quite odd.
But then smoke & mirrors is Derren all over.
And the comments on his blog are odd too.. either fake or completely edited to present only a positive spin to it.. going against every other discussion forum where its been panned by about 95% of the people... unless as i said before its all a charade, he is still 'acting' and its about an excecise in gullibility. All quite odd.
But then smoke & mirrors is Derren all over.