Derren Brown Live: Hero at 30,000 feet, C4 10pm
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tayloranne xoxo
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Disappointing to the extreme!
I miss the old Derren.
I miss the old Derren.
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All man made. There are a few that remain "unexplained" but as far as I concerned that just means we don't know which PERSON (or persons) made them.
All man made. There are a few that remain "unexplained" but as far as I concerned that just means we don't know which PERSON (or persons) made them.
antoinette2190
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He had some good magic tricks dressed as psychology but got trapped in the spiral of having to out do every previous show he did and he cannot.
I don't really think they were any more gullible back then, just they they knew what a magician does and that it was a trick. They knew that their part was to watch and hopefully be entertained for a short while.
But I was talking more about the 70s and 80s - I don't think people believing in sea monsters and Paul Daniels was in the same timeframe or that Paul Daniels was ever entertaining. Paul Daniels was a 'safe' magician in the right place at the right time for boring BBC family audiences. They used him as long as they needed and then spat him out.
Well indeed there are many silly people around who think that soap opers are real, but that is care in the community for you! What I has seen on here is a lot of slagging DB off and blowing of their own trumpets to make themselves look big.
Still Derren Brown has a major show on National TV and they couldn't do an act down their local pub. Jealously is a nasty thing. And the only think they can do is attack DB as they will never do anything of talent.
The very type of person that the bloke in tonights show was all about at the start. But instead of listening and learning, they think shouting down someone like a gang in the playground is this generations MO.
But I was talking more about the 70s and 80s - I don't think people believing in sea monsters and Paul Daniels was in the same timeframe or that Paul Daniels was ever entertaining. Paul Daniels was a 'safe' magician in the right place at the right time for boring BBC family audiences. They used him as long as they needed and then spat him out.
Well indeed there are many silly people around who think that soap opers are real, but that is care in the community for you! What I has seen on here is a lot of slagging DB off and blowing of their own trumpets to make themselves look big.
Still Derren Brown has a major show on National TV and they couldn't do an act down their local pub. Jealously is a nasty thing. And the only think they can do is attack DB as they will never do anything of talent.
The very type of person that the bloke in tonights show was all about at the start. But instead of listening and learning, they think shouting down someone like a gang in the playground is this generations MO.
Ebony(anywhoo?)
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He admits that the flight sim bit was edited down, ie. not live.
Humble pie anyone?
Didn't think so.
Humble pie anyone?
Didn't think so.
jords-will-solve-it
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Just re-read this exchange and it made me laugh. I know it's not real, why do you think I used the word "scenario"?
It doesn't have to be real to be morally dubious. Have you never seen a movie or read a novel where the overall morality is flawed?
It doesn't have to be real to be morally dubious. Have you never seen a movie or read a novel where the overall morality is flawed?
Rhymenocerous
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I thoroughly enjoyed this show, completely entertaining but I didn't take it too seriously.
After the debacle of 'The Events' I don't really trust Brown in the way I once did.
In all fairness he's never claimed to be anything other than a psychological illusionist using showmanship to achieve his goals, and as such he really shouldn't be taken too seriously.
But his programmes are extremely engaging whether real or fiction and that's what TV is supposed to do.
As an aside, I still cannot buy Matt, a sad loser, having as hot a girlfriend as that.
After the debacle of 'The Events' I don't really trust Brown in the way I once did.
In all fairness he's never claimed to be anything other than a psychological illusionist using showmanship to achieve his goals, and as such he really shouldn't be taken too seriously.
But his programmes are extremely engaging whether real or fiction and that's what TV is supposed to do.
As an aside, I still cannot buy Matt, a sad loser, having as hot a girlfriend as that.
Yes, I was a huge fan, no question. I look at his cr*ppy shows now and wonder if I was just a bit naive back then? 
As a psychology student I found it all really interesting- now I really do think it's all just staged bs.
I mean, even if the early stuff was staged, it still made sense and it still made you think! He explained how it worked to such an extent that even if it was staged, you understood such a feat would be possible- staged or not.
When he did the horse racing stunt, you saw how it worked. He sent out thousanRAB of emails saying a particular horse would win. He sent out so many, that he got a four chain win streak for one person, who then had absolute faith in his (actual inexistant) predicting abilities. I loved that.
Like I said earlier- this is far removed from that. This is just random bs done for show with paid actors (and by the looks of it, they aren't being paid very much)
As a psychology student I found it all really interesting- now I really do think it's all just staged bs.
I mean, even if the early stuff was staged, it still made sense and it still made you think! He explained how it worked to such an extent that even if it was staged, you understood such a feat would be possible- staged or not.
When he did the horse racing stunt, you saw how it worked. He sent out thousanRAB of emails saying a particular horse would win. He sent out so many, that he got a four chain win streak for one person, who then had absolute faith in his (actual inexistant) predicting abilities. I loved that.
Like I said earlier- this is far removed from that. This is just random bs done for show with paid actors (and by the looks of it, they aren't being paid very much)
Stephanie C
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I almost feel like taking their side over derrens after his last two shows
Smile Todayy?
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LOL same place, same time. bring peanuts
Robinson Aimee
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I thought last night was utter pants and thats about 3 shows in a row for me where Derren hasn't delivered anything as good as he did in the early days.
I do take issue with the actor piece though for Matt, as I don't think you could feasibly get away with it.
For me the whole show smacked of Matt doing role plays, probably for scenarios that he had already been prepped in. In all likelihood finding the jack in the box on his doorstep was the signal that "todays the day for the next role play".
What spoilt it was that Matt wasn't really terribly good or convincing in any of his role plays and I've seen motivational seminars and outward bound courses that produce better results.
The other thing is that there is nothing remotely clever about prepping somebody oRABcreen and them going through the rather ludicrous actions on screen.
If you compare this to the Heist which I think was probably a very similar concept there was some really clever dual reality stuff going on that we and the participants saw differently. They were shown in some of the early stunts, things like a weirdly coloured van and a certain tune. Later on we were led to believe that they held up a an armed van because it was the trigger colour and they heard the same music. Of course for the particpants themselves these "triggers" were proof to them that it was fake and the role play could begin.
But the cleverness in The Heist was that the clues to how he really did it were all on screen.
I've no doubt Matt would have benefited and felt motivated by this. Not me unfortunately and, in presenting him somewhat as a dullard I don't thing the show has done him any long term favours.
I do take issue with the actor piece though for Matt, as I don't think you could feasibly get away with it.
For me the whole show smacked of Matt doing role plays, probably for scenarios that he had already been prepped in. In all likelihood finding the jack in the box on his doorstep was the signal that "todays the day for the next role play".
What spoilt it was that Matt wasn't really terribly good or convincing in any of his role plays and I've seen motivational seminars and outward bound courses that produce better results.
The other thing is that there is nothing remotely clever about prepping somebody oRABcreen and them going through the rather ludicrous actions on screen.
If you compare this to the Heist which I think was probably a very similar concept there was some really clever dual reality stuff going on that we and the participants saw differently. They were shown in some of the early stunts, things like a weirdly coloured van and a certain tune. Later on we were led to believe that they held up a an armed van because it was the trigger colour and they heard the same music. Of course for the particpants themselves these "triggers" were proof to them that it was fake and the role play could begin.
But the cleverness in The Heist was that the clues to how he really did it were all on screen.
I've no doubt Matt would have benefited and felt motivated by this. Not me unfortunately and, in presenting him somewhat as a dullard I don't thing the show has done him any long term favours.