debate on creationism?

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okay so for religion class we are having a debate and we had to pick a side: creationism or evolutionism. im on the creationism side and i need some supporting details, my statement is "that the bible is infallible and it says that God created the earth, therefore it must be true." im the kind of person who can make a good point but sometimes i have trouble expanding on tht subject. a little help please? thankss(:

if anyone else has any other good points on this subject they are also welcome(:
 
Yeah, good luck with finding evidence that the Bible is infallible. You can't just say stuff and expect people to accept it as true, especially in a debate. Say that, and they'll tear you apart, and rightly so.

Dear Zeus, Elyse is a retard. Big Bang is NOT another theory of evolution. Jesus H. Christ.
 
Okay, so first I should point out that I am stating these factly opinions (oxymoron? I think not) as a religious Jew.
Obviously it is impossible to prove that G-d created the world-- you can have faith He did, but you cannot bring evidence. Therefore, the only shot you have at winning this debate is by proving that creationism and evolutionism do not contradict (as they do not).
Now, take a look at Genesis. It says G-d created the world in seven days, clearly violating evolutionism as the world was created over hundreds of thousands of years, and traditional Jews will tell you that the year is 5770 since Creation. You must realize that when the Bible says seven days, this should not be taken literally as days, but as time periods. (There is a proof that the Bible sometimes uses "days" as "time periods" somewhere, but I forgot where so you'll just have to manage without it.) Now, take a look at the seven days of Creation: Light, sky, heaven and earth, sun and moon, fish and birds, reptiles and animals and humans. If you look at the order, it really doesn't contradict the chronology of evolution! Three days are spent creating the earth and the universe itself, then the fish (keep in mind that not everything should be taken literally, this can mean anything that lives in the ocean), birds, reptiles, mammals, then humans. Coincidently (not really), this is the same time order of evolution, from a biology point of view.
I thought I'd also mention that some Jewish commentators (Maimonades maybe? Can't remember exactly) say that all G-d did was create the first spark of energy, and that eventually snowballed into all of the world and everything you see before you, which is a pretty neat idea.
It should also be noted that the Bible never mentions dinosaurs, so if your opponent brings this up, there are several places in Talmud and some commentators say (Vilna Gaon I think?) that G-d created several worlds before ours and destroyed each of them-- dinosaurs are remains of previous worlds, so they really are tens of thousands of years old. And the earth really is millions (billions?) of years old because it was used by previous earths.
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I know I am probably opening myself up to having to sit here all night debating with people, but as an educated Jew I believe (and I'm sure most other Modern Orthodox Jews believe this-- and not trying to be pompous or something, but Modern Orthodox is really the best place to be-- you are religious and follow all the commandments, yet you aren't so overly religious that you aren't good to people, and you follow the Torah logically and precisely. Chassidim would just dodge the question and tell you to follow the Torah wholeheartedly and Reform, Conservatives, and Reconstructionists etc. are not religiously educated and aware enough to answer fully) that science really doesn't contradict my religion in any way, in fact they go hand in hand. Many Jews from thousands of years ago were far more advanced in science than Gentiles. In the Talmud, there is an accurate number to the number of stars there are in the universe!! So really, science and Judaism don't contradict, and if you don't believe me try to stump your local, Modern Orthodox rabbi.
 
Here is some help! You need to make sure you research your side of the debate as well as the other side. research the science behind evolutionism...what kind of sold prof do they have? are they completely certain that we came from monkeys? How many different theories of evolution do they have? big bang...etc. religion has generally one theory, god created the earth. But don't just research one religion, research many religions, because MANY religions express the same thing. Creation, not evolution. Christians, Jews, Buddhism, Mythology, Egyptians, etc! those Gods/God they worship CREATED the earth. its a common ground...where as science has many different explanation and theories. do lots of research, and im sure you'll do great! Research is Key, the more you know, the easier it will be!
 
Creationism is not science.
No science supports it.
No science ever will.
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(1) If evolution is false, then creationism is true, and therefore God exists.
(2) Evolution can't be true, since I lack the mental capacity to understand it; moreover, to accept its truth would cause me to be uncomfortable.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
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The Theory of Evolution is not religious - it is science.
Creationism/ID IS religious as has been shown so in a court of law (see Dover trials 2005).
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There is no "theory of creation".
There is belief in supernatural creation, but there is no "theory", no mechanism, no predictions, no observability, no falsifiability, nothing to give creationism (or intelligent design, or creation science) the label of "theory".
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There is NO evidence which points to an imaginary psychopath in space suffering cerebral palsy, uncontrollably waving his arms about, creatin' stuff outa nothin' for no discernable reason.
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As long as it's a Christian religion class, you've got it made in the shade. "The bible is infallible and it says that God created the earth, therefore it must be true" may be stupid circular reasoning, but it's what the Christian religion has been basing their claim on for over 2000 years. Just stomp your feet and act really righteous and you'll win the whole debate.

Now, if you ever choose to debate this issue with some intelligent people outside the confines of a religious class, then you're screwed, because that level of circular reasoning just doesn't pass muster with anyone who applies even the smallest shred of logic to their arguments.
 
Really that is your whole argument and even some people who believe god created everything still believe in evolution they are called theistic evolutionists and are probably the most right,
 
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