Day 3 no 91 only 82, what am i doing wrong?

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Dreadful service, if he is one of my Tech's I would want to know EXACTLY what he did, or did not do, for you.

As requested above, where are you.?

Which Dish are you using now.? (Std 20" I would guess).

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on my third day now, here are my setting 116.6 - 23.9 - 62.7
i have them on the T, but i still only hit 82 at 67%, if i go way right i can hit echostar....
Im in Vancouver BC, can someone help me please this is killing me, i have install many sat but this one is the worst i tell you..
All equipment working good...
 
Thanks for your comments.

I am in Victoria, have a 20" dish. The tech tried holding the dish higher then were it is mounted.


He said another building is in the way. I just wonder, if one satellite gets 90% signal, how much can the building be in the way ?
 
Well since 1 of the birds is at 130.3 and the other is at 139.7 from you, it's entirely possible to see one and not the other.

The West cost can be a challenge for Bev service as the elevations are quite low at 22 to 26 degrees and of course lots of tall tress generally, not like the prairies!

The 'other' boys are over at 159 to 164 from you and a little higher up near 33 degrees.

And I think the 20" may be marginal with the extra moisture there.
 
Why would want to hit a echostar sat, your teying to get Expressvu not dish.

1) Using 1 lnb in the 91 bracket run 1 line to a receiver and adjust to get 91, After you get a good sig strength add a lnb to 82 and connect to your receiver skew to pan only! to the right (western canada) untill you get the best signal srength possible. Now hook both feeds up to your swithch or sw21 run check switch and you should be ready to go.
 
I think that what he means is that if he moves the dish to the right he picks up Dish Network. It isn't that he wants to, he just does.
 
yes, still again i cant hit 91, im giving up..
im watching 82 for now...
i get 73% on 82, should i go left right updown, i dont know...
is 91 like right beside 82 or do i have to go 9 degrees either left or right??
i have done check switch and unplug ever thing i could read off the internet..
is there anything i can do??
 
We go out on hundreds of "Upgrades" every week and the failure rate for not being able to obtain signals from the second Sat are running at around 5%. Not a huge amount but still it happens.

Don't forget it is a line of sight issue, you CAN see Nimiq 1 but not Nimiq 2, any Tech shoul;d try his best because they do not get paid if they do not carry out the work, so he lost money driving to you and trying.

Is it possible to use a post somewhere on your property to erect a second Dish for Nimiq 2 only, or if possible the second Dish might be able to capture both birds.

Express Vu say the 20" is fine, however I am with ARR, a pair of 30" dish's would be better.

NOTE I say "Pair" of 30" because the 30" Dish will not accept the "Y" yolk to take both LNB's so 2 x 30" dish's are needed. I am of course refering to the official Express Vu equipment, after market providers may well supply a bracket making this possible.

Nimiq 1
 
This is how I set up several satellites with no problems:

- Set up the skew angle to the desired setting (on the back of the dish, you should have two nuts that you can loosen and twist the dish to the skew angle setting indicated in your manual).
- Only use one LNB (91 degree) and ensure that you have it installed on the correct side of the y adapter.
- Tune into the 91 degree satellite (use transponder 11 for this) ... you should get very close to 100% strenght depending where you live.

Once the above is done, all you should have to do is install the second LNB and you should have the 82 bird. You may have to do a little fine tuning, but nothing major.

The most common error I have seen is thinking you are tuning into one satellite with the wrong LNB. By using only one LNB at a time and ensuring it is installed in the correct position, you should eliminate this potential problem.

I also strongly suggest marking each of your cables so that you know which cable is coming into your house from which LNB. You will need to know this when wiring your SW44.

I hope this helps. I have installed several systems this way and have never had any issues (unless there is an object in the way blocking the satellite signal). Keep in mind that in Vancouver, you will not get great reception with the 20" dish on 82. Good luck.

Kevin
 
There is the Ariza E-85
An 85cm elliptical that can support up to 5 LNB's.
That should offer enough surface area gain and easily handles the 9 degree spacing.
A bit overkill maybe, but all done on 1 dish just the same.
And doing the skew for 2 birds is pretty easy, it gets a little wacky with 4 to 5, especially when some are on either side of due South, lots of compromise.
 
this is why there is a sticker on the HD units that specifically recommend a professional installer as the dual setup is much more complicated...my installer had my dish mounted and aimed in about 5 minutes (he has one of those sat finder devices to assist).
 
ARR is of course correct, I was only talking from a "pure" Express Vu supplied equipment.
 
Kandkt, thanks for the input. I have been asking Bell support why the 82 sat gets 40 - 47 % signal strength when 91 gets 71 - 85%.

I had the dish moved, tree branches cut, etc.

It sounds as though to solve the problem (I do want to be able to receive HD DISHD etc.), I need a bigger dish ? Where can I buy one and is it difficult to replace it with the small one. Ie. will it fit on the existing support ?
 
It's better to improvise than to wait for Bell to upgrade its lnbs and dish. Fortec Star dishes are much more robust since my neighbor has 2 of them. He has 3 legit receivers using the fortec star dishes.;)
 
Much harder? The only difference is to set the skew on the dish and to run a check switch.

Aiming a satellite dish is not hard, single, dual, tripple,...

With a level and a compass it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.

Ensure the mast is plumb. Set the skew (if your dish requires it). Set the elevation. Point it in the correct general direction based on the compass heading. Make minor adjustments slowly (using the signal strength meter included in every receiver). Once you've found the (correct) satellite, peak the signal using very small up/down, left/right adjustments.

Berliner, first thing to check os the skew. 40-47% usually means an alignment issue if you have ruled out blockage. All of the standard dishes mount on the same size mast/pole. If you signal strength really can't be peaked any better you may be better off going to 2 larger dishes (proper way) or a single larger dish with a second LNB mounted alongside the first. Since they are round/ovla, even going to a 24" dish over the 20" dish provides quite a bit more strength, but larger sizes are also available. Check a local sat installer.

Ideally, for dual sat installs, a sat finder with 2 meters is easier, but not required. Using 2 receivers also can make it easier, particularly if you have pic in pic or a 9200, you can hook one tuner/receiver direct to each LNB.

Aiming a dish is easy. Once you've done it once or twice it is a piece of cake. Usually I can look at a neighbouring dish, set elevation and direction and often lock the satellite first attempt. (although I don't do that many, maybe about 30 total)
 
Is it at all possible to get 85%+ on BOTH 82 and 91 at the same time? I can only ever seem to pull in 90% with one, and 70% with the other.
 
So let me just verify this wonderful statement.....

Just because your neighbor has 2 of these Dish's it makes them more robust than the Dish's manufactured for Express Vu.????????

How do you arrive at this stunning conclusion.?

Do you EVEN know you makes the Express Vu Dish.?

For the record, in my experience with Express Vu Dish's, I have only ever seen 4 that were defective out of the box, out of over 250,000 that have gone out through our Techs. Failures of Dish's is so low its almost at zero, again I can think of no more than 10 on site failures due to spot weld failures.

Its the most robust part of the Express Vu System.
 
After reading posts unfortunately I am still having problem of getting 82 with single LNB (dual output from 3210 package dish 20"). As per suggested, I got 91 prefectly (LNB on the RIGHT of the Y-adapter standing in FRONT of the dish, also the slot marked as 91).

When selected 82 as my target sat, the 3100 IRD prompted me with wrong sat but signal still strong, just unable to LOCK to 82. Switch check shown I am okay with 91 (given there is no SW21 or any switch installed, its correct because the LNB does pointing at 91 even i have selected 82)

While I pull the LNB and put it to the LEFT of the Y-adapter, IRD still selected 82 sat as my target, it prompted me no signal at all, nothing at all and again there is switch what so ever. Turned skew left and right slowly still offered nothing, no signal at all.

If I am not mistaken, while I have the 91 prefectly locked (LNB on the RIGHT), at this point, it should very likely that the 82-slot should already in line with sat-82 (may not prefect but should still offers some signal). Do I really NEED both 91 AND 82 LNBs to be installed with a switch before I can pickup signal from 82 (Nimiq2) meaning the 92 LNB must present before hand ?

Used Sat-Finder2.2.9, it showed strong signal Level/Quality on 82 and also on Echo 8/10 as well, then there is nothing for 91. After scan channels from 82, 91 and Echo, they are given me very much similar set of channels, included all PPVs too, just nothing in HDs obviously nothing really from 82 and/or Echo 8/10, seems purely from 91 I believed.

Very frustrated after days and many attemps so far. Can any one point me out from this mess pls...
 
If you are scanning channels and using Sat Finder 2.2.9, then you have a DVB/PCI card and that's not something people on DHC are permitted to discuss.

There is plenty of help out there, this just isn't one of them.
 
I would agree, the metal gauge and quality of construction is far superior on a Bev dish than the FTA after market units.

I compared a 39" *C dish against my Ariza E-85 and was amazed at just how light and flimsy the after market was.

They all work OK, but the OEM units are more robust because of the cost of rolling a truck demands it and does customer satisfaction.

That's not to say, you shouldn't consider them in special signal situations.
 
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