Cross Seeding

Skiz said:
Anything that creates more seeders seems like a positive to me. :unsure:
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It depends on the tracker. In some trackers(new ones mainly), everything is seeded, but everyone is scared to download anything, as they know it's pretty much impossible to seed to 1:1. Cross-seeding just exacerbates that issue for the tracker. But on trackers like TL, IPT, RevTT etc, go ahead, it doesn't do any harm.
 
Cross seeding should only be done properly, if you have a torrent from different trackers with the same hash, you should not seed that at both sites; That may trigger the cheat script and land you in a shame list or whatever.
 
I am aware of the that uTorrent ignores it. Which was point why you would say no so that you didn't have the hash problem.

I have the piece size as "auto-detect" on uTorrent. I upload on multiple sites and as long as I create separate torrent files I have never had an issue.
 
freak12345 said:
But the usual case with file(s) that can be cross-seeded is that the individual who uploaded that file(s) in the private tracker where he is a member of is usually not the person or is not part of the group who created the release (in most cases, like in the case of TV series episodes, the release is actually available in most public trackers) so there's not much difference between that uploader and the people who cross-seed that torrent. For all we know, the uploader's intention in making this file available in the private tracker where he is a member of is only to spread the release and make it convenient for other members to obtain the files without looking for other sources.

There is even one private tracker that I joined who level the playing field by making the torrents "free leech" once they determine that the release was available elsewhere and I applaud this approach since they encourage others to "spread" what their members already have but at the same time give a chance to leechers to download the file without taking a hit at their ratio.

So unless there's an exclusivity agreement between the group/person who uploaded the file(s) and the private tracker where the file(s) was originally uploaded, I don't see any harm being done for a tracker when a person tries to cross-seed the file that he got from another site. In contrast, it would even help make the file become more available to leechers of that tracker since more people will be helping out in the uploading of that file.

Come to think of it, isn't this what file-sharing is all about?
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If it didn't ( potentially) adversely effect other people's ratios by doing it thus sure.

Once again I think the the point being overlooked by anyone championing cross seeding here is that people who do it are not downloading anything from the secondary site(s) and therefore not allowing other members to upload anything to them making ratio maintaining at these already presumably hard to maintain a ratio at places( otherwise why cross seed in the first place?) even more difficult.:mellow:

And please don't give me the lame excuse that is is done to "help out with the speed" because as stated the places where people most likely feel the need to cross seed are the very places with the best speeds anyway( ie lots of seedboxes) which is basically probably why some people feel the need to cross seed in the first place.:unsure:

And no file sharing is about strangely ...you know sharing whereas what is suggested here is pretty much a one way street called "doing what is the best thing for you with little concern about anyone else" .
Why is it so difficult for anyone to admit that?

Btw I knows I'm a self righteous prig but I've seriously lost respect for some people here that support this practice.
 
Disme said:
You're absolutely right bumzy ... download a .torrent from tracker X, put it into UT and download it. Download the same .torrent from tracker Y and add it to UT. Do a forced check and when done, start seeding on tracker Y. That's all ... no bans, no troubles at all. Just did it 2 days ago.

I use UT 2.0.2.0 btw



No need for confusion bumzy ... you don't need to use different clients on different trackers.
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It just means that you have not come across any that have identical hash (and you can check the hash under the general tab).

If you don't believe me, create two torrents with the same files, one right after another with different trackers and don't change anything in the file structure, then try to add both to your client. The generation of the Hash are case sensitive. All it takes is one torrent site to have a letter with a capital in it, and another without a capital and you have a different hash. I've been admins on several trackers, and when people merge tracker URLs they always think they are cross seeding and not doing anything, because "someone told them there is nothing wrong with cross-seeding." Users need to understand what is right, and what is wrong. Just because its a second torrent from a different site does not mean that it will always work 100% of the time as a second torrent.
 
on utorrent 1.8.5 it worked exactly as bumrocks said, even if the 2 files are exactly the same, because the torrent files would be different. i have not tried it in utorrent 2.0.2 yet so don't know. could that be why you guys are having the issue? i hope they haven't changed it.

on a side note, i think its funny that the problem with public trackers was not enough leechers and so they created private trackers and now the problem is not enough leechers. That is a different problem than too many seeders, however, and so i don't think that cross-seeding hurts the tracker as a whole (because it benefits the leechers and promotes leeching).

it might hurt the person who downloads and just expects to keep a 1:1 ratio quickly without any effort - such as cross-seeding or partial seeding or downloading popular torrents to build ratio, seeding for a LONG time, or buying a box. sorry, the world doesn't owe you a ratio.
 
bumrocks - Are you saying , that you click NO to the question utorrent asks when the hash are matching, and it adds that new torrent to your client so that you can seed multiple torrents in ONE client, that have the exact same hash? this isn't possible in utorrent.. how would the peer be directed to the right torrent? Or.. are you saying, that you create multiple torrents for multiple sites.. add them to your client, and it doesn't tell you there is a matching hash.. thats a different scenario, which is possible

kurdt - we are not talking about same files.. we are talking about same hash
 
elbuitre said:
if you have a torrent from different trackers with the same hash, you should not seed that at both sites; That may trigger the cheat script and land you in a shame list or whatever.
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Not if you add it as a separate entry in your client. Usually, the script triggering you mention is caused by people putting multiple tracker URLs from different trackers on a single torrent.
 
Rilly said:
Or.. are you saying, that you create multiple torrents for multiple sites.. add them to your client, and it doesn't tell you there is a matching hash.. thats a different scenario, which is possible
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Correct.

And I will go back to a previous statement...

If you properly download a separate torrent file from each site you will not have any issues of improper reporting of stats. And therefore should not have one issue with cross-seeding or sending improper stats to the wrong site (I think I am repeating myself).

I use
 
But if they have the same hash uTorrent automatically asks to add them together, if you say no, the torrent does not add to uTorrent. How do i add a separate entry for a torrent with the same hash file but different tracker?
 
IdolEyes787 said:
If it didn't ( potentially) adversely effect other people's ratios by doing it thus sure.

Once again I think the the point being overlooked by anyone championing cross seeding here is that people who do it are not downloading anything from the secondary site(s) and therefore not allowing other members to upload anything to them making ratio maintaining at these already presumably hard to maintain a ratio at places( otherwise why cross seed in the first place?) even more difficult.:mellow:

And please don't give me the lame excuse that is is done to "help out with the speed" because as stated the places where people most likely feel the need to cross seed are the very places with the best speeds anyway( ie lots of seedboxes) which is basically probably why some people feel the need to cross seed in the first place.:unsure:

And no file sharing is about strangely ...you know sharing whereas what is suggested here is pretty much a one way street called "doing what is the best thing for you with little concern about anyone else" .
Why is it so difficult for anyone to admit that?

Btw I knows I'm a self righteous prig but I've seriously lost respect for some people here that support this practice.
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I'm not sure how you feel about this but the same can also be applied for people using seedboxes.
3-4 years ago, it wouldn't be very difficult for any home internet user with a decent ISP connection to seed back the files that they've downloaded from private trackers but with cheap seedbox resellers now popping up left and right, home internet users who are members of private trackers are also put at a disadvantage in terms of seeding back stuff that they've downloaded.

I for one have been hit with this disadvantage when I renewed my interest in joining private trackers just a few weeks ago (the last time that I've been this active was around 3-4 years ago). But instead of bitching out that my speed can't compete with people who have seedboxes, I myself decided to level the playing field by also getting a decent seedbox for myself. Of course, I still make sure that I give my share back to the tracker that I'm joining by seeding files for as long as I can (in fact, I still have torrents that I continue to seed on my local machine even after I have removed them from my seedbox). So just like people using seedboxes, I would say that cross-seeding is just one other way of allowing other users especially those who depend on their ISP's bandwidth to at least level the playing field as long as it is not against the rules of the tracker that you a member of.

Anyway, as with any other gray-area discussions in file-sharing, there will always be 2 sides of the story in it but I think the thing that matters here is that the OP have been informed about the different opinions that other members feel about this topic so it would be up to him to choose which approach he thinks would be right for him since basically, most trackers don't find anything wrong with this approach so he is not really breaking any rules.

And btw, I don't see you as a prig dude. When I'm not posting, I usually lurk around other threads in this forum and most of the interesting discussions that I find usually involves you and other big-timers here in FST.
 
Mokhtar said:
its always against tracker rules. dont listen people try to make fun of you and trick you. cross seeding is bed for trackers. everybody know it is.
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As mentioned before, that is a very untrue statement. BitMeTV has tuts on how to do this, for example. Cross-seeding is something I actually recommend to people when they first start on a site to help build a buffer. Too many times people (including myself in the past) jump gun-ho on a site and ruin their account in minutes or hours.

I'm with skiz on this one. I'd rather have more seeders and better speeds.
 
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