Cross Seeding

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pineapplepower

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I think you guys should be clear what you mean by cross seeding..
Like stated - if the torrents have the same hash, and you are just adding the tracker of site B to the existing torrent from site A, you will get banned on both sites.. because what you are seeding to peers on site A for example, will get announced to the tracker on both Site A and B and vice versa. You put yourself in a position where you could be getting upload credit when there aren't even peers on one of the sites.
If you have separate hash for each torrent though, then that is alright and should be nothing to do with the site (none of their business what you are seeding elsewhere unless you are sharing something that is exclusive).
 
IdolEyes787 said:
The difference is that with "free leech" you are still initially contributing something to other members upload while with cross seeding you are basically benefiting at the expense of others .Look on some trackers and see dozens of seeders with nothing downloaded.:dabs:
You know I find it strange that people harp on ratio cheating but in terms of benefiting people other than oneself I see very little difference between the two.
The only time I see cross seeding as a positive thing is when the original uploaders speed is glacial and seriously on the sites that we are referring to here as being problematic how often does that happen ?Like maybe never.

Also there has been a lot of recent posts about "don't dare to join a site if you don't have the connection speed and aren't willing to pay for a seedbox to maintain ratio " which is pretty hypocritical since the cross seeders are in effect not really using the site either .
Personally if I staffed one of these trackers I'd much rather have a bunch of members with less than sterling ratios that attempt to "play by the rules" than a bunch of wanks getting most of their files from some other site and only pretending to use mine.
Way to steer the noobs in the right direction guys.:dabs:
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But the usual case with file(s) that can be cross-seeded is that the individual who uploaded that file(s) in the private tracker where he is a member of is usually not the person or is not part of the group who created the release (in most cases, like in the case of TV series episodes, the release is actually available in most public trackers) so there's not much difference between that uploader and the people who cross-seed that torrent. For all we know, the uploader's intention in making this file available in the private tracker where he is a member of is only to spread the release and make it convenient for other members to obtain the files without looking for other sources.

There is even one private tracker that I joined who level the playing field by making the torrents "free leech" once they determine that the release was available elsewhere and I applaud this approach since they encourage others to "spread" what their members already have but at the same time give a chance to leechers to download the file without taking a hit at their ratio.

So unless there's an exclusivity agreement between the group/person who uploaded the file(s) and the private tracker where the file(s) was originally uploaded, I don't see any harm being done for a tracker when a person tries to cross-seed the file that he got from another site. In contrast, it would even help make the file become more available to leechers of that tracker since more people will be helping out in the uploading of that file.

Come to think of it, isn't this what file-sharing is all about?
 
You're absolutely right bumzy ... download a .torrent from tracker X, put it into UT and download it. Download the same .torrent from tracker Y and add it to UT. Do a forced check and when done, start seeding on tracker Y. That's all ... no bans, no troubles at all. Just did it 2 days ago.

I use UT 2.0.2.0 btw

bumrocks said:
My newest confusion is why you have to use different clients to seed at different places. I have never had an issue and am a member of probably too many sites.
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No need for confusion bumzy ... you don't need to use different clients on different trackers.
 
To properly cross-seed it is as simple as actually downloading the ".torrent" file from each site. As long as you do this you will have different hashes even though you are seeding the same files.

I am pretty damn certain of this. Am I wrong?
 
Mokhtar said:
its always against tracker rules. dont listen people try to make fun of you and trick you. cross seeding is bed for trackers. everybody know it is.
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What the hell are you talking about? It's never against tracker rules unless it involves exclusive (i.e., non-scene) content. And I fail to see how it affects trackers one way or the other. I see it as benefiting users, the cross-seeding user and the leechers he shares with.
 
Wow Guys i see a lot of people have different opinions on this:)

Thanks for all the info

This is a quote from the guide that i found while originally researching cross seeding and the reason i asked.

Lets say you have downloaded the torrent from Tracker 1 to C:\downloads

lets say the same torrent is there at tracker 2. download the the other torrent file. rename it and add it to utorrent as a seperate torrent. do not add the trackers from the second to the first torrent.

then when your adding the second torrent just change the directory to c:\downloads and then do a force re-check for the files. once all the files are accounted for in the second tracker then start seeding.
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Generally unless they have some very odd exclusivity rules (don't cross seed at the lossless music trackers for instance) you'll be fine.
 
nice bit of info guys, i was also wondering about this before...
though i think it would make sense for most of the trackers to allow this since there's not much difference between using this approach and downloading & seeding "free leech" torrents...
 
Sometimes when the hash is the same, it won't add the new torrent, it will add the tracker URL to the list of trackers.. I believe this is because the application is a single port using app (like utorrent) and you can't have two torrents with the same hash in your list.. the client wouldn't know where to send the peer to.. so it merges them.
 
Rilly said:
Sometimes when the hash is the same, it won't add the new torrent, it will add the tracker URL to the list of trackers...
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But uTorrent will ask you want to add the URL to the torrent/tracker list. If it does then you will always say no. If you actually download a separate torrent file from the second tracker you should never get this message though. Pretty sure about this.
 
Saw that guide too a while ago :)

All I can say is that the two .torrent-files I got from the 2 different trackers did not have the same name, but the content of the file I downloaded was identical.
UT didn't ask me anything, just made it another torrent right away.

Have checked the 2 trackers since and there's no improper seeding on any of both trackers so I guess it works like it's supposed to be.
 
If the files are the same and the torrent file is created with the same piece size (people often use the auto-piece size on uTorrent) then you have two torrents with the same hash info but with different trackers. If you add a second of those and you choose not to add the tracker to the tracker list then the uTorrent ignores it; The only workaround to seed this files at two trackers, as anon said, is to run another instance of uTorrent.
 
freak12345 said:
nice bit of info guys, i was also wondering about this before...
though i think it would make sense for most of the trackers to allow this since there's not much difference between using this approach and downloading & seeding "free leech" torrents...
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The difference is that with "free leech" you are still initially contributing something to other members upload while with cross seeding you are basically benefiting at the expense of others .Look on some trackers and see dozens of seeders with nothing downloaded.:dabs:
You know I find it strange that people harp on ratio cheating but in terms of benefiting people other than oneself I see very little difference between the two.
The only time I see cross seeding as a positive thing is when the original uploaders speed is glacial and seriously on the sites that we are referring to here as being problematic how often does that happen ?Like maybe never.

Also there has been a lot of recent posts about "don't dare to join a site if you don't have the connection speed and aren't willing to pay for a seedbox to maintain ratio " which is pretty hypocritical since the cross seeders are in effect not really using the site either .
Personally if I staffed one of these trackers I'd much rather have a bunch of members with less than sterling ratios that attempt to "play by the rules" than a bunch of wanks getting most of their files from some other site and only pretending to use mine.
Way to steer the noobs in the right direction guys.:dabs:
 
SceneFZ is the only one I've tried to (unsuccessfully) cross-seed at, receiving a message along the lines of:
Seeding a torrent you've downloaded elsewhere is FORBIDDEN!
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But most of the time, it's allowed. If unsure, check the site's rules/FAQ or PM a FLS or staff member. Also make sure you have your hands on the same exact release you're about to jump on.
 
Right - like elbuitre said, if you say no, it ignores it.. ie.. doesn't add the torrent - it doesn't add it as a new separate torrent.. so saying no means you wouldn't be seeding it.

I run rtorrent and utorrent simultaneously for this reason.. so I can seed multiple places at once.
 
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