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Comparison Review of Four New(er) Nokia S60 Phones: N80, N73, N93, E61
- Thread starter Malfunkshun
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I have long acknowledged him saying that there is no 850mhz roaming in his area but that doesn't mean anything right now. Is the OP a network engineer? If so, my apologies....
What I'd like to know isHow exactly do you know whether you're on 850mhz or not??When were those maps on t-mobile.com last updated?How current is the info in the map? (ie. is a tower down for service? someone hit it down? power failure?) It could be based on static maps from a year ago.What did you base your 'reception' tests on? Bars? Call quality? -dBs?Again, comparing a 1900-only phone to an 850/1900 phone in a nation that uses 850 & 1900 is far from ever being a valid comparison unless you're a network engineer and/or have access to the proper tools (which, I'll assume you didn't).
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What I'd like to know isHow exactly do you know whether you're on 850mhz or not??When were those maps on t-mobile.com last updated?How current is the info in the map? (ie. is a tower down for service? someone hit it down? power failure?) It could be based on static maps from a year ago.What did you base your 'reception' tests on? Bars? Call quality? -dBs?Again, comparing a 1900-only phone to an 850/1900 phone in a nation that uses 850 & 1900 is far from ever being a valid comparison unless you're a network engineer and/or have access to the proper tools (which, I'll assume you didn't).
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JP you still don't get it. You made the claim that the n93 had worse reception because it doesn't have 850. The link you gave me doesn't change the fact that where this test was conducted there are NO 850 LICENSES AND NO ROAMING! You are arguing about something that has no bearing. So why don't you take your fanboy 850 crap elsewhere and stop trying yo confuse people. The fact of the matter is that for most of tmo's network 850 is meaningless, period.
-olly
JP you still don't get it. You made the claim that the n93 had worse reception because it doesn't have 850. The link you gave me doesn't change the fact that where this test was conducted there are NO 850 LICENSES AND NO ROAMING! You are arguing about something that has no bearing. So why don't you take your fanboy 850 crap elsewhere and stop trying yo confuse people. The fact of the matter is that for most of tmo's network 850 is meaningless, period.
-olly
browneyedbeauty
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No, I'm not an engineer, but I do know *FOR A FACT* that none of these phones, while tested, were roaming on 850mhz. I also know *FOR A FACT* that nowhere in the greater Seattle area does T-Mobile have 850mhz roaming agreements. T-mobile's home market is 850 free, period (ask any T-Mobile engineer if you'd like, they'll tell you the same).
Now, as for the point of saying that some phones have 850 and some don't, it's irrelevant as far as this review is concerned. I was reviewing RF capabilities on 1900mhz, because that is all I give a **** about. If you care about 850, obviously you wouldn't buy a phone that didn't have it.. you'd be a moron to be on Cingular and not have 850, for example.
But equally, claiming that 850 is neccessary for T-Mobile is simply not true, because *most* of their network is still free of 850 roaming.
In the end though, JP made the claim that *my* comparison was innacurate because some phones have 850 and some don't. My comparison was apples to apples, because all phones were running on 1900mhz. 850mhz in my market means about as much as 2100mhz UMTS.... it's irrelevant.
Next time you want to crap on my review JP maybe you could do it with accurate knowledge.
-olly
Now, as for the point of saying that some phones have 850 and some don't, it's irrelevant as far as this review is concerned. I was reviewing RF capabilities on 1900mhz, because that is all I give a **** about. If you care about 850, obviously you wouldn't buy a phone that didn't have it.. you'd be a moron to be on Cingular and not have 850, for example.
But equally, claiming that 850 is neccessary for T-Mobile is simply not true, because *most* of their network is still free of 850 roaming.
In the end though, JP made the claim that *my* comparison was innacurate because some phones have 850 and some don't. My comparison was apples to apples, because all phones were running on 1900mhz. 850mhz in my market means about as much as 2100mhz UMTS.... it's irrelevant.
Next time you want to crap on my review JP maybe you could do it with accurate knowledge.
-olly
it does seem like this back and forth is distracting from the main points of this comparision thread. personally i think olly would know what bands his network uses.
happy holidays olly and everyone else.
still having a lot of fun with the N80, i've merged it into my work and play schedule and really it is one of my favorites already.
happy holidays olly and everyone else.
still having a lot of fun with the N80, i've merged it into my work and play schedule and really it is one of my favorites already.
That's a damn fine point olly and tough to argue with. If the antenna reacts differently while using 850 (if your comparing the N73, E61, and N80 as they have both) then perhaps the review would be incomplete, but I dont think thats the case. I dont think a handset will have a REALLY strong ability to pick up a 1900 freq, and a really poor 850 freq. If it's strong when its on a certain networks frequency then its safe to say that it will be strong when roaming on another......... so arguing is pretty much useless at this point. U B Rht!
So annomus
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NEERJA VIDUSHII
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Honestly now, you crapped your own review with this kind of reply:
But in the end, I'm not going to argue with someone who, "for a fact," has no idea whether their phones were on 850mhz or not, but claims they do lol .
Just because T-Mobile is not advertising it doesn't mean non T-Mobile 850mhz enabled hardware isn't hopping onto 850mhz for whatever reasons when 1900mhz may be low (as the N93 might have attested to) and/or indoors.
If T-Mobile has tuned their network to allow 850mhz enabled phones to jump onto 850mhz in certain markets, on various providers, in various states what prevents those phones from jumping onto 850mhz in other places?
But in the end, I'm not going to argue with someone who, "for a fact," has no idea whether their phones were on 850mhz or not, but claims they do lol .
Just because T-Mobile is not advertising it doesn't mean non T-Mobile 850mhz enabled hardware isn't hopping onto 850mhz for whatever reasons when 1900mhz may be low (as the N93 might have attested to) and/or indoors.
If T-Mobile has tuned their network to allow 850mhz enabled phones to jump onto 850mhz in certain markets, on various providers, in various states what prevents those phones from jumping onto 850mhz in other places?
MiiSzBrika!
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Def. Roaming is when there is no native presence of your carrier in a market or geographical area and they use another carrier's network to provide coverage. In this case, your carrier is not allowed to sell service in that area because they don't have a license for that area. Therefore, you cannot get an area code and exchange number that belongs to that area. Also, not all network services are guaranteed such as GPRS, SMS, Caller ID, etc.
Def. As per FCC: roaming: In cellular technology (mobile telephone technology), the use of a wireless telephone outside a specified tariffed geographic area defined by the service provider (which area is usually called the "home" area); outside of the home area, additional charges usually apply.
Why would TMobile have roaming agreements for places where they already have native coverage? Building penetration is a poor excuse. It is in every wireless provider's contract that coverage is not guaranteed.
Maybe the SIM cards in these phones are prepaid? TMobile only offers 850 roaming for post-paid accounts. So even if your phone is quadband, if you have a prepaid SIM, then you won't be able to roam. Isn't that correct?
Or... maybe in those other places(e.g. MARKETS), THEY DON'T HAVE ROAMING AGREEMENTS??
Def. As per FCC: roaming: In cellular technology (mobile telephone technology), the use of a wireless telephone outside a specified tariffed geographic area defined by the service provider (which area is usually called the "home" area); outside of the home area, additional charges usually apply.
Why would TMobile have roaming agreements for places where they already have native coverage? Building penetration is a poor excuse. It is in every wireless provider's contract that coverage is not guaranteed.
Maybe the SIM cards in these phones are prepaid? TMobile only offers 850 roaming for post-paid accounts. So even if your phone is quadband, if you have a prepaid SIM, then you won't be able to roam. Isn't that correct?
Or... maybe in those other places(e.g. MARKETS), THEY DON'T HAVE ROAMING AGREEMENTS??
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The thing is, a phone with a T-mobile SIM in it will tell you when it is roaming. The only possible roaming partner here is Cingular, and T-mobile phones can't roam on Cingular here in the Seattle area, but if they did for some reason, then you'd see the alpha tag switch to "Cingular." Cingular plays the annoying games with the alpha tag, labelling all networks as Cingular. Fortunately, T-mobile does not.
I suppose I could wander around the Seattle area with my Nokia 6230b with field test and a T-mobile SIM. However, it would be a waste of time.
Nokia has released a few GSM 900/1800/1900 phones that had poor RF performance on GSM 1900: Nokia 6100, Nokia 9300a (both from personal experience), Nokia E70-1 (reports from others I trust).
I suppose I could wander around the Seattle area with my Nokia 6230b with field test and a T-mobile SIM. However, it would be a waste of time.
Nokia has released a few GSM 900/1800/1900 phones that had poor RF performance on GSM 1900: Nokia 6100, Nokia 9300a (both from personal experience), Nokia E70-1 (reports from others I trust).