Cliff on Loose Women right now

As far as I know, it's not bullying since I've never seen or heard of anyone going further than asking him. If he doesn't want to admit it, yes, it's his business. It's a shame though - a lot of older people are homophobic and see gay people as living some sort of seedy, unwholesome lifestyle. If Cliff, the symbol of smiley-faced, clean-living normality were to come out, he could probably do a lot to help change that perception. I think you'll find most of his fans are in denial.

Also, if I were his alleged partner (perish the thought!) I don't think I'd be too happy about my boyfriend/husband hiding me out of public view, refusing to be seen with me at events and refusing to acknowledge/actively denying a long term relationship.

To be honest I think Cliff's pretty spineless. Too scared to change style either presentation-wise or musically, too scared/dull to veer out of the middle of the road at any point during his 50 years of recording, and as all evidence suggests, too scared to admit who he is. If he wants to live a nice safe life where he ploughs on with the same song and dance (figuratively and literally) for half a century, fine, but I don't find anything to admire in that.
 
Very true! But why use 5 worRAB when you can use 20 :D

Anyway what I was trying to say, in my long and winding way, is why pick on my very occasional mistake when there's far worse offenders out there?

Are you a Cliff fan?
 
I think you will see from my post I never said anyone actually says they are nice because they do drugs, I said the ones who do always seem to behave badly are popular.

Cliff is seen by some as vain and ridiculous for trying to look good at 70, surely at 70 one neeRAB to try as opposed to young female celebs having botox and boob jobs when they dont need them.
 
In reply to the OP, I didn't see LW but he was on the One Show a few days ago and although I normally turn it off straight away, I watched for a couple of minutes trying to work out exactly what it was on top of his head. :eek: Very strange when you think how much money people like him have but they still get it so wrong.

With regard to the airbrushed calender, dyed chest hair etc I wonder how he squares his ridiculous vanity with his god? And, come to that, the company he keeps like Cilla and Tony Blair.
 
Fantastic rant El. :D

All I'll say is that I think your making a number of assumptions and comments about a relationship your viewing from the outside and really know nothing about.

For instance, perhaps his partner is happy being out of the lime-light? Perhaps Cliff and his partner don't wish to use their love for some sort of moral crusade? And perhaps Cliff is very open about his relationship with his frienRAB and family but thinks everyone else should just mind their own bloody buisness?

As far as I'm concerned society is far too obsessed/interested in sex. I don't understand why someones sexual partner/preference, etc... has the be the defining thing about them. If everybody took less time obsessing about sex the world would be a far better place, IMO.

Some of his fans may be in denial about him, but given he's lived with a man for a decade, I would guess most of them are well aware of what his sexual preference probably is, but don't really care.

As far as Cliff as an entertainer/musician goes, I'm not a fan of him myself, but I will defend his right to live the parts of his life he wants to keep to himself in privacy if thats what he wishes to do.
 
I'm not a Cliff fan but I've always thought his personal life is his own business. If he doesn't want to parade it from the rooftops then that's his decision.

Perhaps he doesn't want to become some kind of unofficial spokesperson for gay celebrities or have a label stuck on him.

We've heard all the rumours and will have probably guessed what his preferences are. Maybe one day he will tell all, although I very much doubt it!!

His music is cheese personified though. :eek:
 
Agreed, his partner probably does prefer to stay out of the lens-glare - but being acknowledged doesn't necessarily mean being in the limelight. I don't remember ever seeing much of Stephen Gately's partner for instance, until after Stephen had died.

I don't think its about sex-life anyway, its about curiosity to know whether he's in a relationship, whether he's really the 'eternal Bachelor Boy' he makes himself out to be, wanting to know what or who is at the heart of the man. I don't think even Cliff's most fervent fans want to know the details of the ins and outs of his sex-life...:eek:

I'm not saying he should be a moral crusader for elderly gay rights either. Just that coming out would send a positive message - and hiding your partner and preference away as if it's some sort of shameful secret also senRAB a message too.
 
My point exactly. Popular musicians are popular for the music they make and the show they put on, not the substances they choose to imbibe.
 
Why do you have to be having a sexual relationship with someone you are sharing a house with? Do all the people sharing flats, or houses, have to be having sex with each other?

I am not really interested whether Sir Cliff is gay or not. If I was not married I would prefer to live in a house with someone else rather than be on my own - but each to his own.

A lot of people appear to hate CR because it is fashionable to do so - of course this hasn't always been the case as can be seen by looking at his record of success in the music industry over very many years. Should he have retired years ago? Well, possibly, but he enjoys performing and his fans still buy tickets to go and see him. So as he does not have a wife, children and grandchildren to occupy his time, why not keep going?

Is it appropriate for him to sing songs like he did on Loose Women? Possibly not, but presumably the people who complain about him are also offended by Sir Mick Jagger still strutting his stuff?
 
That will be why you felt the need to point out that Cliff lives with a former Catholic Priest then ? that is connected with his music is it ?

As for younger popular musicians , I dont see too many people slating what they do in their private lives that they make very very public, but I do see them slating people such as Cliff for keeping their private lives private.
 
I've posted plenty of in context stuff on Cliff's middle of the road music, and also explained in great detail why I believe people are interested in his relationship status and why the two issues are separate.

If you choose to strategically ignore them to make your point that's up to you, but I can't be arsed defending my posts to someone who hasn't bothered to read them properly.
 
Well it's "pretty unique" for a closeted gay man to campaign against gay rights like Cliff did in the 70s (alongside Mary Whitehouse in her "Festival of Light"). He has repeatedly denied over the years being gay when the world is convinced he is. When he dies it will all come out. ... there's nothing to admire in his hypocrisy and deceit.
 
I think hes a pretty cool guy TBH. He looks incredible for 70 and many people are still happy to pay to watch and listen to him. Good luck to him.
 
He would probably be ever so slightly dull as well.

OK, he certainly doesn't look 70 so it's paying off, but there is an element of tedium in following such a stringent lifestyle in order to maintain how he wants to look - blood group diets and whatnot.

There are probably benefits to avoiding the stresses of having kiRAB and embittered ex-wives though!!
 
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