Circumcision

Babies experience all sorts of painful stimuli. So what.

This is a religious/aesthetic/health (?) choice, and the law says that parents can authorize such procedures on minor children.

In other worRAB, this isn't a subject worthy of debate. Don't like it? Don't do it. But if someone else chooses to have their son circumcized it is really none of your damn business.
 
Do you not teach your son to clean himself?

Many areas of the body collect junk. Under the foreskin is one such place. It seems to me that its cutting off the nose to spite the face when you cut something off just so you don't have to clean it. Everything I've heard suggests it changes the sexual experience. Some men prefer one way, some men prefer the other (if they were older when they had it done), and some women prefer one way or the other as well. It makes no sense to me to do this before the boy has a chance to decide for himself.

My ears stuck out when I was a teenager. My grandparents offered to pay to have surgery done to make them look 'normal'. I would not have liked it, methinks, if they had decided to do this when I was born. I didn't have the surgery then, and don't intend to now.
 
I would guess a majority, especially in North America.
Far more adult men get cut than undergo foreskin reconstruction.
I say there is. Aesthetically.
So you admit potential benefit?
But in mine.
I doubt equal numbers.
There were no complications and rarely are.
Your mother would do well to refer you to a "self-image" therapist.
Let's.:xgood:
Widespread outcry for the loss of penile sensitivity by the majority of circed men is telling IMO. Many times I've momentarily wished for less sensitivity but never more.
 
Yours was a special case since your foreskin was, apparently, abnormal. It doesn't normally tear as you purport yours to do.

By medical accounts there is hardening and loss of sensitivity.
 
Cute....but uninformative.

I notice that you crafted your sentence above very carefully. It shows at least a modicum of doubt on your part that circumcision isn't beneficial.

But then, you would be relying on someone else's determination and not have first-hand knowledge as you have claimed, wouldn't it? Your statement was " I admitted having personal experience with oral sex with an uncircumcised penis and that taste isn't an issue. You put your own interpretation onto that." So, unless you were the one on the working end of that whistle, all you have is second-hand knowledge, correct?

And if that's the case, what makes that any more credible than Dono's first-hand testimonial that there's no difference in sensation between cut and uncut? :confused:

See above statements on credibility.

Because circumcision is no big deal. They only take tips. :)

They didn't have to remove my hair. I was as bald as a cue ball. And again, I point to Dono's statements that there was no difference. Unless you've personally experienced it both ways, only Dono speaks from a position of authority, IMO.

I'm not trying to tar you at all. IMO, it's a trivial argument and I'm just killing time debating with a foreskin crusader. :)

Because tonsilectomies aren't trivial surgery like circumcision is.

For every article that you can find stating no benefit, there are probably at least an equivalent number stating the benefits. In the absence of proof of harm, I'll advocate weenie whacking for my grandkiRAB as well. :xgood:

There is proof that adult circumcision is more difficult, painful and more prone to problems. Plus, you have to abstain from sex for 4-6 weeks. If I did that, "the twins" would start looking like grapefruit. :wow:
 
Yeah, I'm gonna concure in opinion with Strel on this one. You can make your kid eat, wear, and do anything that you want your kid to do. Unless you are beating your kid or harming then it isn't really a thing the kid can do nor should be able to do. I suppose some of you might think that a kid can file a lawsuit against their parents for not feeding them well when he/she was a kid....I however, do not.

Cut away!:xkill:
 
Have you seen post #52 in this thread? Have you seen where I presented testimony of seasoned felatio experts claiming that cut is cleaner and tastes better?



I think prevention of homosexuality had the least, if anything to do with promoting circumcision. MS just grasps at all things possible to be used in his crusade against nature.


I believe the sole purpose of the foreskin is to aid in penetration when attempting sex on the fly while being chased by a tiger. Today we have lubricants that cavemen could only have dreamed of.


Now that IS mutilation driven by sadism and a desire to deny females pleasure in having sex. It is inderstandably driven by the male side of whatever group supports it. I can't imagine a mother wanting her daughter to be denied physical pleasure. But then I guess there may be societies where this is accepted by males and females alike. I just can't agree with it.
 
IMO, your third degree about "freeing Willy" throughout this thread qualifies as the former. Of what concern of yours is it that Dono or anybody else for that matter was circumsized, circumsized their kiRAB or believes in circumsism?
I was circumsized, my son was circumsized, he'll probably have his son circumsized. I can guarantee you that no generation of my clan will ever mourn the loss of their excess foreskin. As far as we're concerned, it's dead weight, excess baggage. All it does is hide the purple helmet. :xbanghead
 
It appears that there are real health benefits to circumscision.

Maybe now, one-eyed Willy can proudly wave from under that kilt, sporting an enviable purple helmet. :xgood:
 
What if the baby was born with a cleft pallate? Would you recommend against surgery then, too, and wait until the kid was completely traumatized by years of being mocked?
 
I seriously doubt that many care. Any evidence to suggest otherwise? While there certainly are women who are that shallow, I've seen testimonials that go both ways, both aesthetically and sexually.

Regardless, however, he can still get it done if the woman he likes wants him circumcised. He cannot get back what he lost if the woman he likes prefers uncircumcised men.



How many men willingly get circumcised? Reconstruction cannot give back what was lost.



There is also an aesthetic benefit to not getting circumcised as well. Since there are costs as well as risks, this leaves us with far more downside to being circumcised.



Certainly there could be, when he's sexually active. There are costs to the procedure, and risks as well. Potential benefit does not outweigh these real costs and risks since that benefit may not be realized. As well, the possible benefit you are citing, aesthetics, is a small benefit indeed. What benefit does circumcision at birth provide? Any and all benefit can still be acquired later in life, while the benefits of being uncircumcised can never be fully recontructed. Hardening of the head over that many years cannot be undone.

There are many potential benefits of leaving the penis as-is, as well. Part of the point is that you do not know if there will be any real benefit, and there absolutely are costs to sensitivity. It seems absurd to make the decision as you made it with the facts as they are.



You are not the one your son will be courting :P



Without any evidence that even a large minority prefer this, aesthetics seems slim justification for the loss of sexual feeling



Rare, certainly. With no real evidence to suggest that women in any large numbers actively prefer this, is even a small risk worth it when the damage is potentially very large?



I don't think my "self-image" is what's wrong when it would have been my parents that decided there was something wrong with my image. Besides, aesthetics don't mean much to me. Loss of sensitivity would.



Since the majority of these are done at birth how would these men even know what more sensitivity would feel like?

If you are uncircumcised, you have the option of circumcision. A circumcised man cannot get back what was lost. Your son will not know which he prefers. You took that away from him.
 
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