Thank You So Much For Responding And I Do Have A Lawyer In Vt Where It Happened And Nm Where We Live. The Vt Lawyer Sucks But The Nm One May Be Able To Help Us I Am Into This So Far For 20,000. I Read The Police Report And The Charges. They Say He Has A 14 Minute Video And A Picture--again Only 2 Counts -i Am Sure They Can Prove That But It Was Something He Got Off Of Limewire When He Was Downloading Regular Porn--just Like All The Other Posts Talk About When You Search For Reular Porn You Get Kiddie Porn And In My Son's Case It May Have Ruined His Life-
Child Porn :(
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a friend a while back was searching on google regarding Chris Langham who was charged with accessing child porn. Due to the recent case of Chris Langham, he interested to know about sex offenders in my area. He typed in 'child porn cases' and sex offenders
He clicked a link and he got this message on the site:
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The American Online Kiddie Porn Page!
Detritus is fully responsible for the creation of everything you will see. We must ask you to disclose your age below before allowing you access to this sensitive area of the web site.
By checking the following box, I am certifying that I am a legal adult, of at least 21 years of age. Furthermore, I will not hold Detritus personally responsible if I happen to be offended by the following presentation.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION!
We appreciate your being a part of our ongoing investigation. Our new, state of the art, automated network information gathering and tracking control system has already documented your name, address, telephone number, and other pertinent information. Someone will be contacting you shortly. When our agents arrive to greet you, please be prepared, as they are working under a tight schedule, picking up other American Online deviants who have misplaced their morals.
Please do not attempt to evade us, as any effort to do so would be in vain. As you are reading this, your circle of family, friends, and co-workers are being informed that you have committed this morally, socially, and legally reprehensible act. You will not be permitted to re-enter society until you answer to these charges.
Before you try to fight these allegations and attempt to deny any involvement in criminal activities, please keep in mind how national security organizations operate; it would be far easier for you to end up dead than it would be to wade through the bureaucratic red tape of admitting the mistake of apprehending an innocent person. Perhaps you should admit your guilt while you still can. You are now one of people to have been entered into the database since 11/19/95.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.
Resistance is futile. Thank you for your cooperation.
A red ribbon, emblem of the Junior Anti-Sex League. We're here!
Return to Detritus.
Questions? Comments? Complaints? Congratulations? Send 'em to Big [email protected]
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He was very scared about this and emailed them and is awaiting response
Will the authorities come to his house although he is not from the U.S, but lives in europe? If they do persue him, how long is it before he is questioned or arrested?
Has anyone come across this site, or is it just garbage. Thanks.
He clicked a link and he got this message on the site:
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The American Online Kiddie Porn Page!
Detritus is fully responsible for the creation of everything you will see. We must ask you to disclose your age below before allowing you access to this sensitive area of the web site.
By checking the following box, I am certifying that I am a legal adult, of at least 21 years of age. Furthermore, I will not hold Detritus personally responsible if I happen to be offended by the following presentation.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION!
We appreciate your being a part of our ongoing investigation. Our new, state of the art, automated network information gathering and tracking control system has already documented your name, address, telephone number, and other pertinent information. Someone will be contacting you shortly. When our agents arrive to greet you, please be prepared, as they are working under a tight schedule, picking up other American Online deviants who have misplaced their morals.
Please do not attempt to evade us, as any effort to do so would be in vain. As you are reading this, your circle of family, friends, and co-workers are being informed that you have committed this morally, socially, and legally reprehensible act. You will not be permitted to re-enter society until you answer to these charges.
Before you try to fight these allegations and attempt to deny any involvement in criminal activities, please keep in mind how national security organizations operate; it would be far easier for you to end up dead than it would be to wade through the bureaucratic red tape of admitting the mistake of apprehending an innocent person. Perhaps you should admit your guilt while you still can. You are now one of people to have been entered into the database since 11/19/95.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU.
Resistance is futile. Thank you for your cooperation.
A red ribbon, emblem of the Junior Anti-Sex League. We're here!
Return to Detritus.
Questions? Comments? Complaints? Congratulations? Send 'em to Big [email protected]
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He was very scared about this and emailed them and is awaiting response
Will the authorities come to his house although he is not from the U.S, but lives in europe? If they do persue him, how long is it before he is questioned or arrested?
Has anyone come across this site, or is it just garbage. Thanks.
Ashley(♥online♥)
New member
This may help explain what OC is saying... He is Exactly Right with his Statement about me. I still have Moral Values.
Some virtues (a virtue is a character trait or character quality valued as being good) recognized in various Western cultures of the world include:abilityacceptancealtruism,appreciationassertivenessattention, focusautonomyawarenessbalancebeautybenevolencecandorcaringcautioncharitychastitycleanlinesscommitmentcompassionconfidenceconsciousnessconsiderationcontentmentcooperativenesscouragecourteousnesscreativitycuriositydependabilitydetachmentdeterminationdiligencediscernmentdisciplineempathyencouragementenduranceenthusiasmegalitarianismequanimity******excellencefairnessfaithfaithfulness, fidelityfitnessflexibilityforesightforgivenessfortitude, strengthfriendlinessgenerositygentlenesshappinesshelpfulnesshonestyhonorhopefulnesshospitalityhumilityhumoridealismimaginationimpartialityindependenceinnocenceintegrityintuitioninventivenessjoyfulnessjusticekindnesslovingnessloyaltymercymoderationmodestymoralitynonviolencenurturingobedienceopennessoptimismpatiencepeacefulnessperseverancephilanthropyphilomathypietypotentialprudencepuritypurposefulnessresiliencerespectfulnessreverenceresponsibility (moral & social)restraintself-awarenessself-confidenceself-disciplineself-relianceself-respectsensitivityservicesharingsincerityspiritualitysympathytactfulnesstemperancetenacitythankfulnessthoughtfulnesstolerancetrustworthinesstruthfulnessunderstandingunityunselfishnesswisdomUnfortunately, These Strong Moral Values don't exist much anymore.
Some virtues (a virtue is a character trait or character quality valued as being good) recognized in various Western cultures of the world include:abilityacceptancealtruism,appreciationassertivenessattention, focusautonomyawarenessbalancebeautybenevolencecandorcaringcautioncharitychastitycleanlinesscommitmentcompassionconfidenceconsciousnessconsiderationcontentmentcooperativenesscouragecourteousnesscreativitycuriositydependabilitydetachmentdeterminationdiligencediscernmentdisciplineempathyencouragementenduranceenthusiasmegalitarianismequanimity******excellencefairnessfaithfaithfulness, fidelityfitnessflexibilityforesightforgivenessfortitude, strengthfriendlinessgenerositygentlenesshappinesshelpfulnesshonestyhonorhopefulnesshospitalityhumilityhumoridealismimaginationimpartialityindependenceinnocenceintegrityintuitioninventivenessjoyfulnessjusticekindnesslovingnessloyaltymercymoderationmodestymoralitynonviolencenurturingobedienceopennessoptimismpatiencepeacefulnessperseverancephilanthropyphilomathypietypotentialprudencepuritypurposefulnessresiliencerespectfulnessreverenceresponsibility (moral & social)restraintself-awarenessself-confidenceself-disciplineself-relianceself-respectsensitivityservicesharingsincerityspiritualitysympathytactfulnesstemperancetenacitythankfulnessthoughtfulnesstolerancetrustworthinesstruthfulnessunderstandingunityunselfishnesswisdomUnfortunately, These Strong Moral Values don't exist much anymore.
Angry Little Fairy
New member
It is more likely a pure garbage. The law enforcement agencies are less unlikely to let the real child pornographers know that they are caught or busted.
Your friend should be fine considering that he didn't downloaded any child pornography materials, does he?
My guess, I would like to think that it is one of these anti-child porn vigilants which are generally dimly viewed by the law enforcement for a good reason. They could potentially hamper their operations against the criminals by scaring them away or disrupting it.
It was a reason why FBI, police, and National Center for Missing and Explioted Children generally advise against active vigilanism against the child pornography. The best recommandation as always - report all child pornography to the law enforcement authorities and let them do their own job.
Your friend should be fine considering that he didn't downloaded any child pornography materials, does he?
My guess, I would like to think that it is one of these anti-child porn vigilants which are generally dimly viewed by the law enforcement for a good reason. They could potentially hamper their operations against the criminals by scaring them away or disrupting it.
It was a reason why FBI, police, and National Center for Missing and Explioted Children generally advise against active vigilanism against the child pornography. The best recommandation as always - report all child pornography to the law enforcement authorities and let them do their own job.
Mr. Maharg
New member
Most English speaking countries still suffer with the Victorian era moralities which says sex is dirty. Any sex. A female would "submit" only because she wanted children.
Not surprisingly a lot of prostitutes were in business back then.
The point being that English speaking countries can get carried away with this stuff. In England cartoons directed at adults are pornographic? Normally I'd say "Give me a break" but I just read about some guys and gals at a night time adult Halloween party on a public street in the U.S. decided to run around in the nude with pumpkins on their heads.
Not only did they get arrested the prosecutor wants them stigmatized as a "sex criminal" which means a public record will exist for the rest of their life.
Once a year a bunch of local drunks leave their tavern and moon a passing passenger train. Its been a tradition for years involving both male and female and no "private parts" have been seen. Yet they faced arrest last year.
Now I can understand a $100 fine and even probation with the record erased at the end of that but "sex pervert"? Give me a break.
Not surprisingly a lot of prostitutes were in business back then.
The point being that English speaking countries can get carried away with this stuff. In England cartoons directed at adults are pornographic? Normally I'd say "Give me a break" but I just read about some guys and gals at a night time adult Halloween party on a public street in the U.S. decided to run around in the nude with pumpkins on their heads.
Not only did they get arrested the prosecutor wants them stigmatized as a "sex criminal" which means a public record will exist for the rest of their life.
Once a year a bunch of local drunks leave their tavern and moon a passing passenger train. Its been a tradition for years involving both male and female and no "private parts" have been seen. Yet they faced arrest last year.
Now I can understand a $100 fine and even probation with the record erased at the end of that but "sex pervert"? Give me a break.
AVIKANT DEEPAK DUTT
New member
Janegb88
First of all, I would like to wish you and your family all the best as you go through this tough time of trying to rescue your son from his moment of thoughtlessness.
Secondly, I am not a US citizen and so not familiar with US law but here in the UK the law is based on intent, meaning that you intended to do what you did (there is some fancy Latin name for this). Now consider this, as lots of files on the P2P network have been deliberately misnamed, by who no one knows, and so by checking the names on these illegal files it can be shown that your son was not after them but really after legal files. And also most experienced P2P/Limewire users will tell you that most of the time we don’t really know what we are downloading until it’s downloaded or take special precautions (such as Bitzy).
Therefore, if what you say is true, it would be hard pushed for any (proper) legal system to convict on what was an accidental download.
Another small thing to remember, whenever you download stuff USING Limewire you are actually downloading from other P2P users individual PCs, and possibly servers, and P2P users live all over the world.
Anyway, hope your authorities see sense and drop this case against a clearly naive youngster.
UK Bob
First of all, I would like to wish you and your family all the best as you go through this tough time of trying to rescue your son from his moment of thoughtlessness.
Secondly, I am not a US citizen and so not familiar with US law but here in the UK the law is based on intent, meaning that you intended to do what you did (there is some fancy Latin name for this). Now consider this, as lots of files on the P2P network have been deliberately misnamed, by who no one knows, and so by checking the names on these illegal files it can be shown that your son was not after them but really after legal files. And also most experienced P2P/Limewire users will tell you that most of the time we don’t really know what we are downloading until it’s downloaded or take special precautions (such as Bitzy).
Therefore, if what you say is true, it would be hard pushed for any (proper) legal system to convict on what was an accidental download.
Another small thing to remember, whenever you download stuff USING Limewire you are actually downloading from other P2P users individual PCs, and possibly servers, and P2P users live all over the world.
Anyway, hope your authorities see sense and drop this case against a clearly naive youngster.
UK Bob
Mohua Rumpa
New member
I called the police and even the FBI right after I posted this message. I was so worried about this matter and they said the same thing you did. I thought I would have a heart attack and after I read the other posts, I really thought my life would turn into a disaster. Thank you again. I got the FBI number from someone who had the link here, I don't remember the user name but thanks to that person too.
As for child porn, I have to say I am very disgusted with the whole subject. I have many nephews and cousins and they are all babies and I would never like something like that to happen to one of them. I would say I would kill anyone who would try to harm them in such a horrible way. I have been a victim of abuse myself, r**e, etc. and I would like to tell all those people out there who think it is fun or amusing to do things like this, that they should think "what if that is my own child" before doing anything so horrible.
As for child porn, I have to say I am very disgusted with the whole subject. I have many nephews and cousins and they are all babies and I would never like something like that to happen to one of them. I would say I would kill anyone who would try to harm them in such a horrible way. I have been a victim of abuse myself, r**e, etc. and I would like to tell all those people out there who think it is fun or amusing to do things like this, that they should think "what if that is my own child" before doing anything so horrible.
How do you what it is without downloading it? If you have downloaded it, then bad news for you: The FBI is going to arrest you within the next few days. Have you considered that the FBI is actively sharing archive material on Gnutella to capture lolipedo-fins?
Besides, the IP addresses shown for search results are far from being any evidence. The only way to find out who really shares something, is to download a file and *then* check the IP address. However, due to the vast amount of hijacked machines nowadays, it is not so unlikely that the uploading party is just a victim and not even aware of sharing or possessing these files. There have been exactly such cases even before Gnutella existed. Fairly normal people have lost their existence because of false-accusations concerning "child abuse". People are good in jumping to conclusions with any facts at hand.
Using Microsoft Windows whilst being connected to the internet is a modern version of Russian roulette. Unfortunately, most of the time the irresponsible computer are not the ones who are affected by hit. At least I've never heard of anyone losing his job or friends because his computer had been turned into a spam spewer.
I wouldn't suggest to anyone searching for "kiddie porn" or "child porn" anywhere. If you do, expect getting lynched by some random admin or bystander who is on a crusade because you are "obviously" a lolipedo-fin in search of material.
I could be wrong but I would actually assume the vast amount of real (not faked) child porn is produced in Russia or Asian countries, not in the US. That's none of the FBI's business anyway. Last but not least, keep in mind that even if all lolipedo-fins that appear in any available material have been executed/killed/jailed the material will still be available.
Besides, the IP addresses shown for search results are far from being any evidence. The only way to find out who really shares something, is to download a file and *then* check the IP address. However, due to the vast amount of hijacked machines nowadays, it is not so unlikely that the uploading party is just a victim and not even aware of sharing or possessing these files. There have been exactly such cases even before Gnutella existed. Fairly normal people have lost their existence because of false-accusations concerning "child abuse". People are good in jumping to conclusions with any facts at hand.
Using Microsoft Windows whilst being connected to the internet is a modern version of Russian roulette. Unfortunately, most of the time the irresponsible computer are not the ones who are affected by hit. At least I've never heard of anyone losing his job or friends because his computer had been turned into a spam spewer.
I wouldn't suggest to anyone searching for "kiddie porn" or "child porn" anywhere. If you do, expect getting lynched by some random admin or bystander who is on a crusade because you are "obviously" a lolipedo-fin in search of material.
I could be wrong but I would actually assume the vast amount of real (not faked) child porn is produced in Russia or Asian countries, not in the US. That's none of the FBI's business anyway. Last but not least, keep in mind that even if all lolipedo-fins that appear in any available material have been executed/killed/jailed the material will still be available.
bar_mar_mar
New member
Have a look @ Shareaza. We have this for ages now...
Are you a cop? Are you involved? Where did you get this information?
Little question: Does child porn has to be video or picture content? If I think of all the erotic ebooks that are available for download... half of them would be rated as child porn, because they in fact tell the 'storries' of children... (really goes on my nerves always getting storries of children when downloading that sort of content ) And what about audio books?
And by the way: Can teen model galeries (for example presenting bathing suites) be considered as child porn or not? - true, you don't really see something, but still, there are the parts you *imgine*, if you understand what I want to say... EDIT: Seems that this has not been clear enough: The idea I had in mind when I wrote this sentence down was about some advertisement from a store that was included in the weekly advertisemt package we get by post.
I think the current legal sittuation is not clear enough... There is a vaste shardy area between legality and illegality. Boarders should be more clearly defined...
Are you a cop? Are you involved? Where did you get this information?
Little question: Does child porn has to be video or picture content? If I think of all the erotic ebooks that are available for download... half of them would be rated as child porn, because they in fact tell the 'storries' of children... (really goes on my nerves always getting storries of children when downloading that sort of content ) And what about audio books?
And by the way: Can teen model galeries (for example presenting bathing suites) be considered as child porn or not? - true, you don't really see something, but still, there are the parts you *imgine*, if you understand what I want to say... EDIT: Seems that this has not been clear enough: The idea I had in mind when I wrote this sentence down was about some advertisement from a store that was included in the weekly advertisemt package we get by post.
I think the current legal sittuation is not clear enough... There is a vaste shardy area between legality and illegality. Boarders should be more clearly defined...
OMG. I just heard the news 2 pedos the cops were after killed themselves. you might think i'm a little sick but I feel that this is a good thing.
Also the man incharge of the hunt for these animals said that he thought It was good to but he wishes that they blasted their brains out before they became pedos.
lol
I think I like this guy lol
n I know id rather kill myself then become a pedo.
ok ill keep you updated.
Also the man incharge of the hunt for these animals said that he thought It was good to but he wishes that they blasted their brains out before they became pedos.
lol
I think I like this guy lol
n I know id rather kill myself then become a pedo.
ok ill keep you updated.
chocolate bear
New member
Being newish to file sharing I have also had the misfortune to be confronted with horrendouse stuff like this and is quite terrifying. The thought that you have been logged somewhere against it is scary to say the least even accidentaly.
What can you do, who can you go to i have no idea.
As you dont know where it came from you dont know who to alert?
A very depressing state of affairs on a very depressing subject. Which the only solution (you may disagree) is not to file share which is the way I will go.
I am sure it will reduce eventually over time, till then i will give it a miss.
Mach1, a damaged person now.
What can you do, who can you go to i have no idea.
As you dont know where it came from you dont know who to alert?
A very depressing state of affairs on a very depressing subject. Which the only solution (you may disagree) is not to file share which is the way I will go.
I am sure it will reduce eventually over time, till then i will give it a miss.
Mach1, a damaged person now.
Michael Crump
New member
In response to this post....the computer shop reported the image to the police, it was my brothers lawyers who hired the forensic computer experts and yes the police were in a tizzy over a single image!!! Yes as unbelievable as the situation seems it is all completely true and my reason for posting is to find others in a similar situation because I am sure there are more stories like this out there. Unfortunatley my brother was so naive that he did not realize that opening a file with CP was illegal when it was not marked as such and when he had no intention of viewing it intentionally or distributing it. CP is out there and it is wrong but something is wrong when my brother sits in his group meeting of sex offenders and he is now a felon for viewing an image and there are men sitting next to him with lesser misdeameanor sentences for violent **** and molestation. This is the honest truth as confusing and backwards as it may seem.
Omg i am so scared, I accidently downloaded a child porn picture ON ACCIDENT! I was downloading a lot of legal adult stuff, but when i opened one of the files it said "you have been pranked by the FBI, have a nice day", so i figured that it must have been child porn. Then when i went back to see the text that comes up after you hold the mouse over the file for a few secs, I was shocked to see that it said all this sick CP stuff. The headline text was completely different! I am now extremely scared that the FBI is going to come knocking on my door or something. Has anybody ever accidently encountered the same problem as me???
venkatingoa
New member
Dose any1 know how we can contact limewire to try and get them to put an end to this trash? It is a big problem and I wish to do more then just post comments on in. I want to destroy it asap. LimeWire Forums ps try this forum
sunshinegurl:))
New member
yeah this is not good