Chevelle: Best Record

Wow bass notes and chorRAB. You know what you have convinced me. Like 99% of banRAB out there they have used a shadowing baseline and typical chorRAB. You are right because of that they lack all origonallity and sound EXACTLY like Tool.

I have to go for a few hours, but am more than willing to continue this later.
 
Um, I never said they sound exactly like Tool all I said was they vocal stylings weren't original, they were just taken from Maynard. I explained quite a bit on why they sound similar. Their music is power chord based rock with similar 'heavy tones' with a bass mirroring the notes and a typical drum beat holding it all together as well as lyrics dealing with depressive issues in a standard verse/chorus format. You can get all pissy about it but the simple fact is Chevelle are doing nothing original, what I just described may sound generic and applicable to most rock banRAB and the reason for that is because they ARE a generic rock band.

I've been backing up my opinions and explaining them. You've been selective in your responding to them only responding to the stuff you can actually argue because the simple fact is: Chevelle aren't original they're very typical. So you can drop the Conor/Elliott argument (which I still don't understand what you're trying to achieve by bringing up since I've only ever said they were original at certain points in their career and you're arguing that Elliott just ripped off Conor's unreleased material or something I don't understand) and if you want to respond you can actually respond to the entire argument instead of just bits and parts of it that you feel like responding to.
 
I did not say "good drumming" do not misquote me. I said creative also known as original. I will say it again many of the beats used are not found in any of these banRAB you stated "Three Days Grace, Finger Eleven, Staind, Cold, Breaking Benjamin, Trapt".

Except for the few instances where there is "ryhmes" which i hardly consider that, you have not proved anything. I do not feel the singing is at all similar to ANY of the banRAB you listed, all of which i have heard much of. (i think rarely having this happen is almost unavoidable anyways)

Also you did not address the point made about Elliot Smith... which puts you in the EXACT same boat as me, left trying to defend yourself against someone who has completely different musical tastes.


edit: You are one of the few people on here i do enjoy arguing/debating with. (Unlike a good deal of people with "superior" taste)
 
I liked Vena Sera a lot but only after I had to warm up to it.

I like Chevelle because I enjoy singing all of their songs myself. I like how their music makes me feel.

They're the best band out there, to me, not because they can do this or that better, but because I can relate different things they say to different things in my life. And like I said, I just like to sing their songs.

That really isn't a strong foundation for loving a band, but it's enough for me.
 
Im glad you give all banRAB a fair chance.... :mad:

edit:To Used: Yea, i like them alot. I do feel they have a good deal of origonality to thm. And the people who don't like them because they are now mainstream...thats great. They did not used to be. Listen to Point #1 and there 2 unreleased albums before that...noone had even heard of them then.
 
Yeah creative drumming still doesn't make a band original, once again look at Slipknot. Jordinson's drumming isn't similar to any of his contemporaries from KoRn or System of a Down yet we still don't hail them as original. Why? Because drumming is a very small thing in the large scheme of your originality and so far it's the only thing this band has going for them.



Have you not heard Trapt or Tool? How aren't the vocals similar? And how aren't those rhymes? Do I need to define rhymes for you?



I didn't even understand what your point was.
 
Sorry for the bump. I was just listening to Point #1 and wondered what the board thought of these guys. I would have to admit that I myself am a fan, especially of the first two albums. Their latest, Sci-Fi Crimes, wasn't bad either...
 
First off you don't have to be a jack^ss while arguing your side of this. With that aside...

I strongly disagree with the Coner Oberst sounding different, and yes i have listened to almost everything they have both put out. I do not like Elliot Smith but i still have his first album from 1994 up till his recent 2007 release.

And yes Conor Oberst did come before him... His solo album was released a year before Elliot Smiths in 1993. (Water)


Example: YouTube - Elliott Smith - Whatever ( Folk Song in C ) LIVE < Elliot Smith

YouTube - Conor Oberst - Hubcap < Conor Oberst

SounRAB very similar to me, and thats one of many examples. yes difference in singing, with more screaming aggression coming from Oberst. But nothing you couldn't say as a difference between banRAB such as Chevelle and Stained.


Edit: And to be honest, you obviously do not give banRAB such as Chevelle an even remotly fair chance before judging them right off the bat.
 
Yeah the only real comparison to Tool you can make with Chevelle is the vocal style. The music isn't nearly as well crafted as Tool. But Chevelle is still one of the better mainstream banRAB out there.
 
You're making unfounded statements and not explaining your opinions, that isn't my fault.



How do they sound similar then?



You realize that unreleased solo "album" was a preteen Conor Oberst yelling into a friend's four track right? It sounded nothing like anything Elliott did and if it wasn't for the internet or Bright Eyes no one would even knew or cared it existed. So if you're going to consider that Conor started before Elliott than it should be pointed out Elliott also had an unreleased material from his high school days with a band called Stranger Than Fiction and there was also A Murder of Crows, The Greenhouse and Heatmiser all of which pre-dated Conor's "album."
 
Before i go off talking about this, which i most certanly will, in time, answer this question since it is the entire reason we are arguing in the first place.

How do Chevelle and Staind sound SO similar?
 
I think they're amazing, and the new album is pretty damn good, I don't think they got too soft either like a lot of other banRAB... Better than most new stuff I've heard in awhile..just my opinion..
 
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