Cellphones Nokia CEO Stephen Elop rallies troops in brutally honest 'burning platform

I thought I read that its going to have both HSPA+ and CDMA on the same chipset/phone?

Yeah Camera and no MicroSD are bummers. But there's still Android so, I mean I didn't plan on buying anything until probably mid-year anyways. Plenty of time for cool stuff to come out.

the Atrix looks great too.
 
I have used Symbian phones, and every smartphone OS over the years. And no Symbian is not considered a smartphone platform, not only by myself, but by Nokia, and every software developer company out there currently.

A smartphone currently is a computer that makes phone calls, runs a scaled down desktop OS such as Android(linux) iOS (OSX) WebOS (linux) that can run desktop class applications. Symbian cannot do this. It is that simple. You will not see Symbian running on a tablet anytime soon.

Wake up, that is like saying DOS by itself is comparable to Windows 7. Sure both will run a computer but how will it run that computer you need to be asking yourself. Sure Symbian will run a phone, but how well? The definition of a smartphone has changed. The ability to run a App does not make a phone a smartphone, a dumb-phone will run a app. Just about any phone out there now will run apps.

How powerful are those apps and what can you do with them? That is the new definition of a smartphone. How powerful and widespread is the phone's OS. Can it run a desktop apps? Does it have support from developers in developing applications? Does it have a eco-system?

The painful answer to all these questions for Symbian is a huge no. If you can't see that you are disconnected with what is really going on in the mobile space. Most hardcore Symbian users are. Time to come back down to reality. Like I said Symbian is dead. I said this years ago. Called what happened yesterday back in 2007.

Nokia was never a software company, and when the iphone came out hardware is what sold high end phones, not software. The iphone changed all of that. That was the game changer. Now great software sells smartphones, not hardware. Nokia never got the memo. Refused to change. Now they are paying for it. It they would have acted quickly and realized the danger Apple posed as well Android they would have a whole eco-system already. I called the current smartphone market back in 2008 with the iphone and android. With software running the show and the best "eco-system' winning the show. That currently is Apple and Android.

RIM is next if they don't change. Soon.


I work in the industry and work with the companies you talk so much about. I called it on my last post because i knew what was going to happen before it happened. There was internal talk at the last second not going with Android. Trust me on this. If you don't believe I don't know what I am talking about just look at my previous posts, from five years ago, three years ago, and %95 percent of what I said has come to pass.

Either I know my stuff or I am the great descendant of Nostradamus.
 
They should have bought Palm then. webOS and MeeGo were very compatible. It was a great OS to begin with, they could have easily merged the two platforms and combined Nokia's great hardware with the otherwise best smartphone OS out there. OPK ****ed up. What else was left for them to do? HP bought up Palm and is going to be a major player on all fronts right now. If Nokia could have pulled off even half of it they'd be golden.
 
Actually the ZTE Blade aka Orange San Francisco is an XDA favorite. For the price of an Optimus One, you get a solidly build phone with a 3.5" screen, 800x480 display and a 600MHz processor.

There is a reason why ZTE bumped Apple off from fourth to fifth place.

Also ZTE makes telecom equipment, including 4G. Companies that also do networks, like Huawei as well, are your future Nokias and Motorolas. These guys can go on to design and manufacture their own SoCs, base stations and so on. These guys go as far as winning telecom contracts in Europe, right in the home ground of Nokia Siemens, Ericsson and Alcatel-Lucent.

Behind those Shanzhai phones, those cheap copies are some incredibly well engineered SoCs that reduces much of a phone function in a few chips. These white box modular systems can be configured and reconfigured so that new models can pop up in mere weeks instead of months.
 
It will be really sad if they got rid of meego and symbian just to please the investors and the media.. so sad. The n8 will be my last smartphone from Nokia.

On the smartphone OS.. actually, symbian is the smartest one.. i know is very hard to process, but it is true. And any OS that can multitask, run native programs, has e-mail and most other internet services, office tools, etc., should be considered a "smartphone"..
 
This would be complete suicide if they dumped Symbian and Meego. Not only are they going to be delayed, AGAIN, by trying to put out a WP7 phone, but they will lose complete control over the direction of the OS. Microsoft will never allow any meaningful third-party control into their OSes

What could be REALLY smart is a strategic partnership over Qt, Ovi Maps/Navteq and Silverlight, .NET, Bing, and the media the Zune has to offer. So the SERVICES and Application Frameworks become platform agnostic.

Maybe MS can teach the Ovi fools on how to run webservices (though Google would have been better at this).

Seriously, if Nokia does anything other than maybe just build Microsoft a phone, this will be the nail in the coffin. You would have alienated your shrinking fan base while screwing your development cycle AGAIN. Like you did with the Meego partnership.

FOLLOW THE FRAK THROUGH NOKIA! Get Intel to get their **** together, release a bad-*** phone based on Medfield. Shore up your services EG the main part of an ecosystem, unite the platforms with Qt, and don't add another OS into your stable that will just add delays.
 
Hahahahahahaha! I know you're not trolling, that makes it that more funny. MeeGo runs on ARM. Sheesh, and you pass yourself off as someone who knows about this kind of stuff.
 
It really seems that Elop is going over correct everything. Nokia isn't doing well for market share, but they still improved sales, and they are still bringing in Billions of dollars. The entire buisness isn't failing, but I'm afraid that Elop is going to make very drastic changes when all they need is a tweek to improve the bottom line.
 
Nokia stock downgraded by all major brokerage houses. JP Morgan got an "underweight".

Nokia lost $17 billion of its stock value in one day, Its around $35 billion now. Facebook is worth more at $52 billion. There was a time Nokia was worth like nearly $150 billion.

Apple is now worth over $300 billion, Google is worth $200 billion and rising, Microsoft is stagnant or getting lower from $228 billion.

Tablet sales (iPad and all) are now having an effect on netbook and laptop sales which means less Windows and Office revenue for Microsoft. Microsoft is fighting the wrong battle on mobile when it should be fighting tablets.
 
Good points Drillbit. I agree about MS not focusing on tablets. However I don't see them losing on MS office as there are no other competetors in that segment. Sure laptop/PC sales are going down, but that's more of the consumer segment. Enterprise/SMB & even consurmers who needs MS office still buy laptop/PC. However MS need to watch Apple, as they are slowly increasing Macs/Macbooks sales!
 
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