Cellphones Nokia CEO Stephen Elop rallies troops in brutally honest 'burning platform

N95 8GB had no memory card, it was annoying but not a deal breaker, nowadays there's hardly anything I sideload for Symbian even though it's an option, and having everything in one place is much better than having to scour websites, so it's not an actual disadvantage, copy & paste is coming - it's pretty much a straw man to bring this up, tethering, while quite useful for some people isn't necessary for most, flash sucks on symbian, so I'm not sure why complaining about its absence makes any sense.

The only real complaint is the lack of proper multitasking, which is rather important for a smartphone, but WP7s handling is only allowing it for applications that prove themselves not to cause instability and not to be resource and battery hungry. Having only good, efficient and stable applications able to multitask is overall better than allowing anything to use up resources in the background and suck your battery dry.
 
ZTE is totally above board. It's also totally junk, but it's all compliant. It only takes a few seconds of using one of these really low-end phones to see that you get precisely what you pay for. That's also true of ZTE's low-end smart phones, which although they might run Android are truly awful. I'm sure they will get better with each generation, but they're junk now.

Moreover, I don't know that these Chinese manufacturers have the ability to really undercut Nokia for like-quality gear. Nokia is a super low-cost manufacturer. It's one of, if not the, lowest-cost manufacturers in the world. They're able to develop and deploy faster, but not necessary to deliver better product or more cost-effective product.
 
OT, just a little, or just off topic of the recent conversation, but just an update: read a piece on today's WSJ online that, according to unnamed sources, Nokia is out-and-out dumping Symbian, not sure how gradual or sudden this will be.

Question: so what happens to the N8/E7/C6? Wouldn't it be, I don't know, a little....awkward if you're selling Symbian devices at the same time? And what about the people who bought the N8, who thought they were going to get improvements, a new browser, etc.?

Edit: Ok, I misread the piece. Nokia will be *supplementing* Symbian with a third party OS....
It still doesn't mention Meego, which leads me to think that Elop did the Sopranos-walk-in-the-woods with it.
 
First off, I said Symbian^3, didn't I? I was cautiously optimistics when they appointed Elop, at least now we know. Nokia's burning platform just exploded, with the remaining Nokia fans on it.

Second, the N900 was released as a geek-toy, it was never supposed to be a mainstream device. Did they even partner with any carriers for the N900? Hell, in the US they put it on T-Mobile bands...

Oh okay, so their stock is down already, let's just make it slide more by doing more of the BS crap they've been doing. This is a complete screw job to Nokia, a complete slap in the face to all the employees, and any third-party developers they had. Symbian, Maemo/Meego, Qt and Intel is losing big on this.

They might as well just let Microsoft buy Nokia.

A company that is in the single digits of phone share, even in the US, and Nokia partners with these morons? Microsoft is the biggest winner in all of this
 
Honestly? It seems to me that in a way Microsoft got a lot of the benefits of buying Nokia without actually shelling out the required cash. It's a HUGE win for them.

All I meant regarding the screw job comment is that with MeeGo on the horizon and all of the shakiness going on within the company, an educated consumer should've only bought said phones if they were happy with their features at launch. I've even heard that the UI revamp that was supposed to arrive isn't even a very big jump from the current one-better of course, but not on the magnitude that many people were expecting.
 
99% of the people that got the above mentioned devices knew not to expect much once the phone was in their hands.

That was my mentality when I purchased phones too. Treat them as if they were disposable.
 
I am very interested about this, but how does this exactly work? You select countries/regions and you get one-time single download, or is similar to google earth (desktop), where it saves what you have seen before? That's the question.


Furthermore, the offline map feature is only available to few android smartphones, even the Motorola Defy (rock solid android phone) doesn't have it:

Install this app

The following devices support touchscreen gestures in Google Maps for Android version 5.0. Due to hardware limitations, certain Android devices may not fully support every gesture available.
Fully-supported devices:

The following devices support panning, zooming, tilting, and rotating gestures.

Samsung Nexus S
Samsung Galaxy S
Motorola Droid
Motorola Droid 2
Motorola Droid X
HTC Incredible
HTC EVO 4G
HTC G2

Partially-supported devices:

The following devices support panning, zooming, and tilting gestures only.

HTC Desire
Sony Ericsson X10
LG Ally
HTC Nexus One

Note: This list of devices may be incomplete and may change in the future as new Android phones are available for purchase.
 
We all knew the future was uncertain. It was a gamble and I think all of us would admit to it.

But Symbian, aside from the UI, was feature rich. It did what we wanted and came on great hardware. Over the past few weeks, especially, I've seen some great stuff from Qt (QML) too. It has been hopeful.

Symbian^3 has done pretty well in sales, WP7 has been ****.

All of us standing on a burning platform just got trapped on it while it exploded with all the Nokia and MS execs jumping away.

Honestly, its sort of a relief, now we know Nokia is completely dead. The light with the Symbian Road Map, the Maemo6 road map, and the Qt road map has been finally and completely snuffed out.

We just witnessed history here.

Like I said, I'll be moving on to Android or WebOS. WebOS is just so darn pretty, its very tempting, but I'll probably go Android.
 
Get Samsung Focus, you get memory card option. Copy/paste are confirmed for March with a "major update" from MS! WP7 is "evolving" like Andriod 1 year ago.. give it another 6 months, you will see more mature WP7!
 
Yeah the only two other phones I would've considered changing to this year were a WebOS device without a keyboard (though the Pre 3 seems like a good device) or the N9. I'll likely be keeping the nexus one this year.
 
I thing meego is a waste of time, since Android is better, and if meego did ever exist would be using google apps anyway (google maps, google voice, google reader, google docs, and so on), I really doubt Nokia would implement such things for meego, and meanwhile Android keeps evolving.

About Symbian^3 current development, there are some stuff like Nokia Betalabs, so why does it exist if will be abandoned?

Furthermore, I hope I can install Android on the N8 in the future, just in case...
 
If Nokia is going to dump money into modding WM7 they may have gone with android, or even dump more money into s60/Meego. Windows Phone 7 is not the knight in shining armor that we want it to be.
 
Palm was lacking in the hardware department, but the latest stuff announced by HP looks great.

Sure, no killer Camera, but meh, I guess beggars can't be choosers.

Who knows, maybe Aava may surprise us. Hehe.
 
You are missing the point .. Android is mature, there is not much to do there.. Symbian can't scale for touch, they were not able to do much with Meego, as they are way too late with it. They have little time to react & move on, hence the choice for WP7 which is not yet mature OS but has great potential. They don't have to spend lot of effort to make it a full fledged OS.
 
Fat chance. Do you *really* see that happening.

Microsoft's sweaty palms won't let that happen, they want to lock you in to their "cloud", you know, the one that went offline after they bought Danger.
 
There's probably nothing other than a WP7 Nokia device that'll match up to the camera on your N8, unfortunately. Unless samsung decides to put out a new camera flagship.

Camera and non-upgradeable storage are definitely the two downsides of the Pre 3. The only other thing I can think of is if they decided to limit it to CDMA carriers, but that'll be their loss.
 
I don't know why you think that.

Maybe you didn't get me. My point is that quick fixes are sometimes OK, or at times even necessary to keep the ship afloat. Talk to the kid that stuck his finger in the dyke. And I'm not talking about a hairy dutch woman...

The company has been blind to their problems for too long and there is no time for planning ahead anymore. Now the problems became a crisis and it may be time to start pooping on your pants, like the ViiPee prefers.

Vanjoki's metaphor seems to imply that (last year?) he didn't have a sense of urgency. Just like many here didn't, and some still don't.

Apparently Elop doesn't share their views and I hope he can save the company.
 
You're better off not holding your breath, or listen to the WP7 defenders; it's never going to have these abilities.

Note, that I think the WP7 user interface is fantastic, but as it is, even with copy and paste, Windows Phone is a glorified feature phone OS that's locked down tight inside Microsoft's walled garden.

If I had to be inside somebody's walled garden, it may as well be Apple's.
 
I sincerely wish I could be as optimistic and gung-ho as you, rapid, but the point YOU are missing is that Nokia's R&D budget is gone. Kaput. Finito. Void. By design!

Any changes or improvements to WP7 will come from Microsoft. Period. They will be handed to Nokia on a platter, for better or for worse. And based on MS' past track record, I have lost hope for the survival and continued viability of Nokia.
 
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