Cartoons: What changed?

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:sweat: Now, before we start, let me say this isn't a "Cartoons suck these days OMG!" thread. I'm not trying to compare the past to the present. I'm trying to be nuetral, but its hard because it seems like I'm flaming the new shows of 2000s. The only thing I can do is give an example, and hopefully you'll understand.:sweat:​

I was watching the newest Goosebumps on CN recently. (I know it's not a cartoon, bear with me) It was about the dummy that was alive, and as I watched as the "doll" chased after the kids, say terrible puns, and turn one of the main kids into a dummy, I remember when the 90's Goosebumps were on, and the dummy was not cracking jokes, or had magic. He would cause weird stuff, and cause the puppeteer to be blamed. Maybe not scary, but wasn't something you'll bust a gut on like I did watching the dummy now.​

That's what I mean changed. Did something happen between now and then to make people believe what we grew up with as content was wrong, and chose to make todays as different as possible? I mean, I enjoy todays cartoons, The Spectacular Spiderman comes to mind, but I can't help but remember things being taken more maturely in the 90s show. What do ya'll think? Is it because I'm looking to the past too much? Or something else entirely?​
 
Your Goosebumps example killed the entire argument, since that was the 90s Goosebumps. A newer series was never made. :sweat: And no one thinks those ideas in the 90s were wrong...it's just that many of the creators of todays cartoons grew up in the 70s or 80s, and like to bring those ideas back.
 
The Goosebumps that you saw came out in the '90's. Maybe in ten years time you forgot that the dummy was making lame puns and being magical. I don't think that people suddenly reliesed that the stuff they had in the '90's were bad and changed everything in the year 2000.
 
Obviously what has changed it your memory and not the content. After all that was the 90's Goosebumps, bad puns and all. Your memories of the show aged better then the show itself. Because you did not realize it was the same show it was different from your memory of it. Thats why I don't trust nestelgia.
 
Just to turn to topic away from the Goosebumps slip-up...



I'm not too familiar with either series - do you have any examples of what you mean here?
 
In some ways Spectacular spider-man is more mature then the nineties toon but in other ways it's not. For one thing is is a Teenage Spider-man show and not an Adult Spiderman. Yet Spectacular gets away with more then the nineties show did like punches that actually hit. The Ninties show had too many restrictions that hurt it.
 
Um yeah, basically what creativerealms said. While the current series has a teenage Spidey instead of an adult one, it's able to get away with a bit more than the 90s show, despite having Saturday morning restrictions (i.e., no guns).
 
:ack: ...Wow. Sorry for the Goosebump screw, and thanks for all having better memories than me...:ack:



While trying to keep my other foot from going into my mouth, I'll try.

The first ep of Spectacular Spiderman I saw was the one with Curt Conners aka the Lizard. In the episode, Peter ran from his friends to change to Spidey, and used the pictures of when he fought the Lizard to win a contest to the Daily Bugle. When confronted, he couldn't well say "I'm Spiderman" so his friends took an immediete distrust to him believing he'd rather take pics than save Curt.

I'm not even going to try and rip a Lizard episode from 90's Spiderman with my jacked memory, but I'm quite sure the situation was handled differently from today.
 
I think the only problem is that you associate realistic design equally being mature and full of drama. Drama comes from the mind, from behavior, not from appearance.



Which is often the price he pays for his double life. And given the lack of knowledge they have, it's perfectly reasonable to dismiss him as being selfish. Even more so because he said he was leaving to go home and did something else entirely.
 
Now I was not attacking you for the Goosebumps thing, no I understand it it was a simple mistake. It just shows that our memories of shows is often different from what really happened. Especally when it's been years since we last saw them.

Oh the Ninties Spiderman handled it differently because it was a very different episode. Oh and the 90s episode ended with Eddie brock looking like a fool in front of Jameson. In fact people kind of compared the episodes and it was like they reversed the roles of Peter and Eddie in the two, with Peter looking bad instead of eddie in Spectacular.
 
That's the price of a double life if you're a superhero. If he told them, then if the bad guys ever discover his secret identity, they would be toast. Better to keep a secret then have someone die because you blurted it. :shrug: Never saw that episode of the 90s series, so don't know how it ended. :sweat:
 
I don't understand this thread, are you saying cartoons today are less mature and The Spectacular Spiderman is supposed to support your argument? Or are you refering to the art style being less mature?

I'm not quite getting this, I don't think much has changed and those who are complaining about it are blinded by nostalgia. Cartoons really don't seem to be too much different than those in the 90s except people forgot the bad ones and only remember the good ones and only notice the bad ones from this decade.
 
Like I said in the beginning of this thread, This isn't a "Today's toons suck-Viva 90's" thread. I'm going to spare you the details but what I came up with prior to creating this thread is that something happened to cause a change in dialogue, theme, etc. from 90s and today cartoons. Spiderman and Goosebumps were just examples. Read the whole thread carefully, and you'll get it.
 
Cartoons have been the same since the 90's, most people just choose to remember only the good 90's cartoons and think that was reflective of the entire period. I don't really know how to reply to this without "nostalgia" coming in to play here.
 
Yeah, i agree that todays toons and 90's toons are pretty much the same. Nevertheless, there are a few mentioneable differences. The art styles is one thing, of course, but different genres are discernable as well. Back in the first half of the 90's there was a lot of comedy toons (Animaniacs, Tiny Toons ect) that tried to more or less emulate the "golden age" genre, with a similar empahsis on extreme slapstick and wacky "cartoon physics", and had similar artwork and music. That genre has practiacly died out once again.
 
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