Can we hook up BEV receiver at the campsite/cottage?

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I've never understood what makes people say this. Why is a book a better camping medium than TV?

Myself I bring my dish camping mainly for music. We are often in a remote location in the mountains so radio doesn't work. This year having satellite radio might be different.

As for the original question; when I go camping I unplug my other receivers, or just power off the SW44 switch. That way if Bell does call while I'm away most of the receivers won't be affected.
 
Yes, I know that but for the weekend campers, #1 I doubt that the verification department likely works on weekends and # 2 if they do, the chances of them calling to verify the ID while you're on a camping trip (unless it's a long and extended one) are slim to none.
 
Look at that permitted space stations list (and no that doesn't pertain only to C-band) from the FCC that I posted above and open the PDF file attached to Anik F3. In paragraph 4, you'll see reference to "a balnket authorization for 1 million U.S.-licensed receive-only earth stations
that would receive Direct-to-Home (DTH) Fixed Satellite Service" for Echostar.

Since it appears that DTH providers have to obtain these blanket licenses, I would assume that BEV doesn't have such a license. And since the Nimiqs aren't the Permitted Space Stations list, it appears (at least to me anyway) the BEV is simply respecting the rules set out by the FCC.

I doubt the FCC or any other law-enforcement agency in the states is going to start cracking down on snowbirds and visitors who bring their dishes with them. At least not unless DTV or Echostar start complaining that they feel that the practice is denying them a significant number of customers.

But it seems apparent that if BEV finds out that the receiver is being used in the US, they will shut it down.
 
Bell Express Vu has no broadcasting rights in USA. If you get cut you can have a fine up to 50000$ US. If Bell Express Vu catches you they will immediately stop your service. That said, it will most probably work in the US. As far as angles, we can not provide the info as we only service Canada.

Bell Express Vu requires that client that have secondary residence, cottage, trailer or motor vehicule can not operate 2 locations simultaneously. If you go to your cottage, you need to call us so that we shut down the receiver that will be staying home and turn on the one in the cottage. There is no fee to do it. Same process had to be done when you return home. Both home and cottage can not be working at the same time. If an agent founds that 2 locations are active at the same time they will disconnect the one they can verify as stated in the service contract.

Visit bell.ca/satelliteagreement
 
What will this accomplish? Bell won't send a signal down stream to remove a receiver's based on one not answered phonecall. If your receivers are left unpluged for more than a 3-4 days you will are likey to lose programing (temporary at least) any way as the keys are changed. (programing will return eventually on it's own).

Bell usually leaves a signal in the stream to remove programing from a receiver for weeks or months anway. So if Bell thought that you were account splitting and went ahead and removed your programing, your programing would be removed when you plugged your receiver in and booted up.
 
It's all a crock of sh!t and in this case the law IS an @$$. I'm not going to be dictated to or bullied by my satellite service provider if I want to take my receiver to Montana on a camping trip in my RV. I'm still a Canadian citizen with a valid Canadian permanent address that I live in 99% of the year. If Bell ever gives me grief about it there's always Star Choice. They're not as anal as Bell about vacationing Canadians.
 
We also travel with our dish - out west you are lucky to get even a CBC station in some areas - having the dish came in handy listening to all the flood warnings last year while we were in K country



now we will be parking our unit permantley in Radium and 0 radio stations that have decent reception - also have XM radio and will be setting that up as well.
 
As far as I am concerned, if you are a legit customer and you pay your high monthly fees and you want to take your receiver to your own cabin or whatever for your own personal use you should just do it and not worry about it. People somtimes get to involved in all the rules and over-regulations that ae imposed firstly by all these commissions and passed on to the satellite companies and in the end the consumer. Thats why so much is going on illegally because of all the over regulation. IMHO
 
I was under the impression from my "testing" (accidental testing during my last move) that it took 7 days for the programming to go away; in that 7 days before your lease is set to expire it obtains a new lease.

I could be wrong, but that's what I was led to believe last year.
 
This is the letter I received from the CRTC after I wrote them.
It shows that the answers from Bell are BULL.
Dear Mr. --------:

Thank you for your most recent message requesting further clarification.

In answer to your questions:

1. Is it Bell's policy or the CRTC policy that a Canadian can't receive Canadian transmissions while traveling in the USA. StarChoice said it is ok if one has a permanent residence in Canada for at least 6 months per year.

The CRTC's mandate does not regulate broadcasting activities outside of Canada. Bell Expressvu may be respecting the exclusive programming rights established in the purchasing of programming with the program supplier but there are no CRTC regulatory restrictions in broadcasting in the US. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulates all aspects of broadcasting in the US. You may wish to check the FCC's website at www.fcc.gov for any restrictions in this area.

2. Bell says that now one cannot use a Bell unit in their motorhome unless it is a separate subscription - they blame the CRTC for this new policy but StarChoice offers a different option.

A commitment was made between the satellite providers and the Commission to prevent the practice known as "account stacking". It should be noted that the CRTC did not actually approve the measures taken by Bell Expressvu. Bell's decision in regard to using a Bell Expressvu unit in a motorhome is a business decision that does not involved regulatory direction nor approval.

Again does the CRTC mandate these changes that Bell is doing - Bell says so - or are they just changes that Bell has decided to implement?

In my opinion, Bell Expressvu has chosen to implement these procedures in the normal course of its business.

I trust this information will assist you.

Sincerely

----- -------
CRTC Client Services-Winnipeg
 
I've never had my receiver hooked up to a phone line (no jack close to the TV) and have had no problems. Then again, I never order PPV's. I've seen quite a few dishes in campgrounds mounted on stands. I think it's ridiculous that BEV would try to get you to pay double.
 
The only reason using a receiver at the cottage or in a camper is not allowed by EV is that broadcasters and cable companies don't like it and have whined to the CRTC. EV once promoted it as a "feature." Also, BCE's interest in both EV and CTV taints EV's policies far to much for my liking. If you want to put a receiver in the camper, go ahead. Just don't tell EV about it or you will get phone calls from "the EV department that harasses paying customers because it's easier and cheaper than catching the real thieves."
 
I agree. I now take my 5900 away with me if I am travelling.

Took it away to Watch some Furmula 1 the other week, even took it to a friends last weekend as there were 2 shows I wanted to catch. He only has OTA reception, the up shot was that after seeing my Express Vu 5900 he is going to sign up for the service.

Now I know I broke Express Vu's rules by moving my 5900 to another house, while leaving my 5200, 9200 etc still active at home but Express Vu will now gain a Customer BECAUSE I broke the rules......

I would say take the receiver away with you and enjoy, just get a good Tripod and setup is a breeze.
 
He said that he would only provide it when it's convenient for him...I was just mentionning to him the possibility of being disconnected on the third attempt if he juges the first 3 times that it's "not convenient" for him...
 
And I'm sure you're gonna be the first one to complain when you get called by th SAT departement to go throught the verification...even if you know and admitted here that you are breaking the rule!
 
Kids watching TV upstairs and Dad and Mom watching TV downstairs ... still watching two different TV's at the same time. What is the difference if one TV is home and the other is out on the range? I am paying for for the subscription for my family and my family is watching TV.

The problem with this is that, again, people that use this to account split. As far as I am concerned, I am not account splitting doing this. Why don't they spend time chasing people that do and not worry about someone taking their receiver camping. That will be the day when I pay for two subscriptions to do this. The law is written this way because of people that take advantage of the portability of satellite and account split with their neighbor or friends. Again, focus on the real culprits and not the everyday joe blow who is just taking his TV with him on a camping trip.
 
The official way for Cottage use is to de-activate your receivers at home when heading out to the cottage and have the Cottage receiver activated.

As you are at the cottage now, maybe if you have an on-line log in for your Express Vu account, you can add a receiver via that.!! Not sure.
 
One problem you might run into is that some EV channels cannot be picked up in the southern US. That's due to the signal pattern of the satellites.

I don't think it is illegal to receive ExpressVu in the US, especially for a Canadian citizen who is legally subscribed. When I was raised, I was told that only communist countries like the USSR make it illegal for its citizens to receive foreign signals. I think that is still the law in the US. :rolleyes:
 
lol Take it with you.

If you had any idea how many alignment service calls I do each summer that the cx has scheduled with EV from their cell phone while sitting in their RV . . . you'd lol too. (and the kids are at home watching tv)


Worst case scenario, it's a call to reactivate the home receivers when you get back.
 
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