Can we hook up BEV receiver at the campsite/cottage?

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Whether you legally pay your services or not has nothing to do with the matter... BEV doesn't have the broadcast right in the US and therefore as soon as you cross the border you're illegal. Same rule applies for Dish and Direct TV... they don't have the broadcast rights in Canada and therefore as soon as they cross the border they are illegal, even if they pay the monthly suscription and are just on vacation here!

As mentionned previously it's not the most important matter for the police and the likelihood that someone get a ticket for using an American dish in Canada while on vacation is very low. Same applies for Canadians using BEV in the US.

The "bust" I referred to involved people using Dish TV... They had bought receivers at legal stores selling electronic devises, and tenants of the store opened a Dish account. Since they don't have the broadcast rights in Canada they are not able to bill the services to a Canadian adress, so the tenants of the store has adresses in the US receiving the bills for them. People in the US were submitting the bills to the store and then to the clients if I understood the story well. They seized lots of equipement and list of clients and the news were saying each client will be contacted and get something...(I don't know what penalty taught)

Seem that Americains are more strict than Canadians in the application of that rule
 
Policy of the SAT departement apparently, always according to this friend of mine that was in the SAT group in Toronto is that after the third attempt that they reach the client and speak to him, and he either refuses to do the validation or says he has no time they disconnect all but 2 receivers.
 
Exactly... More time needs to be spent on hackers who are stealing signal, not shafting regular customers who already have an account and are paying on a regular basis. But I must say that this rule wouldn't force me to change to Starchoice. There are so many ways to circumvent this limitation, but this limitation should be removed to allow, legally, bell customers to do this.
 
After a certain number of time that we contact you with no response we could, at our sole discretion, and according to the service agreemnet policies ou all signed and therefore agreed to, shut down your receivers

If we call and you say that not all your reeivers are at the same location we will have to go throught a manual verfication of the receivers that are with you and only the receivers AT THE LOCATION WHERE YOU ARE will be kept active, all non verified receivers will be DEACTIVATED!

About the argumennt that you are a paying customer, well yes and no. You are at the home, but your are not a paying customer at the cottage. Would you cable compagnylet you pull up their wires to your cottage for you to have service t both residences for a signel monthly rate? No certainly not...you would have to pay 2 different account. We offer you that possibility which cable doesn't with only one restriction, switch active location (at no cost) all the time you go fom cottage to home and vice versa
 
The id changes every ten mintues on dp's and every 60 on legacy's, they cannot change it remotely. On a dp receiver go to page 3 on system info at xx:x9 minutes it will say CAD4AG23 for example, then one minute later at xx:x0 flick back to page 2 then back to page 3 check again it will have changed.


It would of changed anyway!
 
At Express Vu you can not have both locations active at THE SAME TIME... You need to call us when you are at the cottage so that we deactivate all the receivers that are home, and the same thing when you return to get your home receivers reactivated and the cottage deactivated.
 
They won't be at the cottage that long, weekend/week. How often are they going to call, everyday for weeks. Leave a message on your answering machine/message manager saying you are gone out of town.

That's why you bring the receiver back home with you and hook it back up.


And you put customers through the hassel of having to call it twice spending 15-30 mintues talking to someone who don't have a clue half the time about what you are trying to do or what you are talking about. The least they could do is put a self serve option on their website to do this.
 
Long time reader, first time poster!

Keep in mind Agent Express V is just posting BEV policy. Also BEV has to have all these small print in place to protect themselves.

Look at it from the other prospective of an American or transplanted Canadian wanting to own ExpressVu in the US. They can't for obvious reasons that the US has their own sattelite companies. Vice versa for a Canadian wanting Direct TV or something. All the sattelite companies protecting their teritory.


So i think we need more common sense. Nobody will be sending the army out to catch all the snowbirds that go south for winter. They are paying their bills so what damage are they doing?
Go to Ft Lauderdale and tell all the french speaking Quebeckers there that they can't bring their dish south. They need/want their french programming.
Believe me when i say many do not speak english at all or have a very rough time of it.

I've walked thru some campgrounds in Florida and when the Habs are playing nearly 90% of the trailer park has the game on. TV outside, tripod with dish and a beer.

The people are paying their bills, then they move back here after 1 or 2 months. Is that so bad? Let's use common sense.
 
I believe there is still a Dish 500 (20")dish for sale in the DHC for sale fourm, if not you can easily get one new for the same price.

Having receiver's from the same account in two seperate locations violates Expressvu CSA, but it is not illegal. If they ever found out they would probley deactivate your programing or close out your account, but the chance of them finding out is slim, especially if you bring the receiver home and let it dial out.
 
According to the CRTC it is NOT illegal to receive Canadian subscription services outside Canada ie for a motorhomer who is a Canadian resident - to take their receiver with them while traveling. It is a Bell's business policy.
Here is a letter from the CRTC to me:

"Dear Mr. -------------:

Thank you for your most recent message requesting further clarification.

In answer to your questions:

1. Is it Bell's policy or the CRTC policy that a Canadian can't receive Canadian transmissions while traveling in the USA. StarChoice said it is ok if one has a permanent residence in Canada for at least 6 months per year.

The CRTC's mandate does not regulate broadcasting activities outside of Canada. Bell Expressvu may be respecting the exclusive programming rights established in the purchasing of programming with the program supplier but there are no CRTC regulatory restrictions in broadcasting in the US. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulates all aspects of broadcasting in the US. You may wish to check the FCC's website at www.fcc.gov for any restrictions in this area.

2. Bell says that now one cannot use a Bell unit in their motorhome unless it is a separate subscription - they blame the CRTC for this new policy but StarChoice offers a different option.

A commitment was made between the satellite providers and the Commission to prevent the practice known as "account stacking". It should be noted that the CRTC did not actually approve the measures taken by Bell Expressvu. Bell's decision in regard to using a Bell Expressvu unit in a motorhome is a business decision that does not involved regulatory direction nor approval.

Again does the CRTC mandate these changes that Bell is doing - Bell says so - or are they just changes that Bell has decided to implement?

In my opinion, Bell Expressvu has chosen to implement these procedures in the normal course of its business. "

I just returned from Yuma and there were numerous bell dishes up on motorhomes - no problem from the police etc. There was a loss of some of the transponders.
Most Rvr's are switching to StarChoice due to their attitude of helping users.
There is an automatic roof dish for Starchoice and I am working on a modification the the Wyngard crank up dish to convert it to StarChoice.

Lastly if Bell is so excited about one of their customers traveling across the rawhide curtain - why do they put heir units on Westjet which travels across the border?

Solve your problems and switch to StarChoice if you are going south.

Hope this helps.
 
Most of the people on here are correct Agent.

In the past, you could have two dishes installed and have one reciever that you moved to the cottage.

The policy changed so that now if you want to have cottage service, you either have take one reciever to the cottage and have the rest shut down while you're there and then reactivate when you come back, or you have to have a seperate service at the cottage. (i believe)

It is a only a BEV policy in order for them to comply with with the wishes of the CRTC to see them doing something about 'stacked' services, but it was neither approved on disapproved by the CRTC.

Your friend either has no idea what he/she is talking about, or you misunderstood his/her explanation.

When the policy was changed, information was sent to most customers regarding the changes in the cottage plan. Whether the customer read it or not, well that's hard to say.

Nem, who says re-read your information
 
Thanks for the sales pitch, but you do understand that Star is taking alot of heat for doing this and more than likely will have to stop the practice soon. And when they do stop alot of Star customers will be very mad.
 
Agent Express V you just do not get it, please stop saying the same thing over and over . StarChoice is just turning a blind eye and business as usual. Bottom line RV owners are just going to do it and should do it no matter what you and I say. The police are not going to bother with such trival matters, kind of like simple possesion of marajuana, a blind eye is turned to it in the tolerant Canadian society. So stop flaping your company drivel, people are still going to do it and should do it!!
 
It's not illegal in Canada to have both locations on at the same time.
Expressvu does not allow both locations at the same time.
 
Wow that's a lot of information most of which passed over my head. One thing is clear when I go camping the only time I watch TV is if it's raining or whatever. With so much hassle and BEV making me feel like a criminal I'm thinking it's not worth the hassle. So I think I'll just plug in a DVD and watch a movie. For BEV to spend so much effort tracking paying customers when their efforts should be directed to none paying customers beats me.
I have only had BEV a few months and I'm tiring of the BS already so I think when my contract is up I will be giving serious consideration to dumping it.
I do thank all you posters for your help, these forums are great. What did we do prior to the internet?
 
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