Can Gnutella Be Trusted? - (*Winner Of The Off-Topic Growth Award !*)

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Primal S.

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i am having an incredibly difficult time believing that there is soooooo much brainware behind LW and yet LW has so many problems. for the short time i could get LW up and running it would freeze my computer with the only option of force quitting and restarting. most of the time i couldn't get past "loading core components." i have finally given up and will look for other p2p software. p.s. i'm starting to wonder about some of our institutions of higher learning...and is the military better off now?
 
I have been reasearching the most of the major P2P software out there and I have found that (in the simplest terms I can think of) the developers of LimeWire, Kazaa, Morpheus, and Bearshare are lying, cheating assholes. This does not apply to every developer and I do believe that some really do mean to bring the best P2P software to the public. But some people just want to take advantage of helpless people. Sure you may be able to download your files but is that all you are really downloading? Hell no! Without the right software, your computer will become overrun with spyware, adware and every other type of crapware meant to exploit you and your privacy. In this world there are very limited precautions you can take to defend against this type of thing. Thats all the ranting I have for now, but I think that it is sad how people try to find every possible way to decieve people. For the most part I feel that nobody can really be trusted.

deepblue
 
Yes Morgwen, many still don't know and 90% is accurate. But people learn from errors and I'm sure the amount of money made over spyware is going down. And I really thing that putting spyware in LW or any other app is shooting themselves in their foot, because less people wil want to try these apps and less people will pay for a pro version for exemple. (this is really bad marketing from LW kazaa etc...)

For Morgwen:
And I use Gnutella (the protocol) because it is open source.

Ciao
 
No its not true.

VTOLfreak was the first who mentioned this:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7357

The only response was that he making false accusations...

THREE months later an other user brought it up again:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10733&perpage=15&highlight=top%20moxie&pagenumber=1

At this moment Adam knew that Topmoxie was redirecting links. There was NO word about we told Topmoxie to remove it or something else - INSTEAED he replied something like, its a good solution to pay the bills instead of asking money from the users. And I am sure that it doesn
 
This post is not meant ot be offending to the developers of the mentioned software. I know that you have spent a lot money and time developing these programs. This is simply my personal opinion.

deepblue
 
True Blue,
Do you think that bush has done nothing wrong? You ask for proof that he is a liar and a thief? OPEN YOUR EYES! This kind of this thing has been going on since the beginning of this country. The most recent of cource in Iraq. We know no more than what the conservative news reports tell us right? Obviously you do. The president makes a big deal about loseing 200 of our citizens (in a completly pointless war), but who gives a f u c k about the thousands of Iraqi'swe have killed. We see every day that in other countries people are killing americans because they hate us, and we ask 'why do they want to kill us,why do they hate us'. The answer is there if you would use you eyes for once. But I really know what this has to do with the legitmacy of gnutella clients, which is what this thread is about.

deepblue
 
Thanks Peerless. True Blue: check out the hyperlink, you'll find it interesting and heres your PROOF. Please, no more political discussion in thread. That is not its intended purpose. Thankyou.

deepblue
 
I've done some research and have come to the conclusion that deepblue is a huge fan of America and wants George W Bush to be re-elected.
 
Yes I agree that Saddam did need to be 'releaved of his power'. However I think that bush could have gone about doing that in a much different way. HaHa, what!? Thanks for your input.

deepblue
 
Yeah...
I 'moved' this thread...
It needed moving a while ago !

For 'new users' there should be a warning label at the start of this thread...

Beware.
This read contains frequent displays of
personal prejudice,
miscellaneous nonsense,
numerous erroneous conclusions
and a whole lot of political blathering !



The comments made in reference to BearShare and Limewire are
totally inappropriate.
 
There was never a question about whether or not TopMoxie was changing URLs (to my knowledge, it's not really redirecting any links, it just modifies the HTTP requests) to let LimeWire make money when LimeWire users are shopping online. I don't know if you are aware of the way Amazon for example rewards sites sending people to their website. Basically, if a person buys something at Amazon, Amazon will pay the website who redirected the person to Amazon. If nobody redirected that user to Amazon, Amazon will just keep the money.
The only issue was that TopMoxie did not value the case were another website already claimed that reward for itself so TopMoxie would really steal that reward.
That issue was brought to TopMoxie's attention and it was resolved. LimeWire has no direct control over the TopMoxie sources, they only have an agreement with TopMoxie about what the TopMoxie software may or may not do and how LimeWire will be paid - at least that's the way it usually works.
So in fact LimeWire never could modify any code at all to change the situation.


What do you expect?? We are living in a world where you can either make money or starve. LimeWire is a company after all and there could be certain legal implications involved depending on what statements an employee of a company makes. And even if there weren't, - it still is bad publicity.


It's not about believing or not believing. Two parties have a legal agreement, if one party fails to fulfill it, it can and will be held liable for it.


TopMoxie is per definition not a virus - at least not where I'm living which is outside of cloud cuckoo land. If I license a piece of software and resell it, I cannot always test it to the full. I can only trust that the creator of that software is telling the truth about what his software is doing, even IF the source code WAS available for me to check. If the creator of the software lied about his product, he would have to fear that I may sue him.


People should really start reading the license agreements before downloading and installing software from the internet. If the license agreements states that another software package will be installed this implies that it will not necessarily be removed in cumolo (since it is not part of the same software package).


LimeWire basic displays a page before installing that it will install LimeShop and tells you to view this page if you have any questions:
http://www.limewire.com/english/content/moxiefaq.shtml
In addition, you have to agree to the TopMoxie License Agreements. The LimeWire international installer does not display this information because it does not install TopMoxie and never did.


Truth is relative. What the truth is in the real world, may not be the truth in some distant cloud cuckoo land for example where some words like 'virus' or 'spyware' just have a different meaning.

- And just to clarify: it is not, was not and will never be my intention to imply you were living in such a "cloud cuckoo land".

fixed bad english
 
Actually no, I think that bush is a liar, a thief, and a terrorist. I am simply looking through the sheet that has been pulled over our eyes, and seeing the real world, instead of living in the pretend.
Up with anarchy, sberlin.


deepblue
 
That is my exact point, LW (and others) are stealing from those who don't know what is going on. They dont find out that paying for these things don't do any good until they've already spent a lot of money. Some developers really care, but most are greedy, stealing f**ks! Sad but true.
 
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