British Board of Film Classification

I hope you bought the correct version of Murder Set Pieces.
There were 2 releases in the US and the white cover version is an R rated cut version.

The black cover is uncut , non anamorphic and has Directors Cut in red at the bottom of the front cover

I got Baise Moi when it first came out so I assume you had to pay
 
BBFC director David Cooke has released a statement about all the fun films he's seen this week:

"It is the Board's policy that at the adult category the Guideline concerns will not normally override the principle that adults should be free to choose their own entertainment. However, there are cases where the Board will intervene, even at '18' [the most restrictive mainstream UK film rating, meaning no-one 18 years of age can be admitted], where material or treatment appears to the BBFC to pose a credible potential harm risk to individuals or, through their behaviour, to society, and in particular where portrayals of sexual or sexualised violence might eroticise or endorse sexual assault or where children are portrayed in a sexualised context.

The cuts to this version of I Spit on Your Grave, which the Board has required, remove elements that tend to eroticise sexual assault (for example, through the use of titillation), as well as other elements that tend to endorse sexual assault (for example, by encouraging viewer complicity by the use of camcorder footage, filmed by the rapists, during the various scenes of sexual assault). With these cuts made, the film's scenes of very strong terrorisation and sexual violence remain potentially shocking, distressing or offensive to some adult viewers, but are also likely to be found essentially repugnant and aversive. The Board takes the view that, with these cuts, they are not credibly likely to encourage imitation.

The cuts to A Serbian Film do not detract from the message of the film but remove the most problematic images of sexual and sexualised violence. The section in the Board's Guidelines which lists the possible grounRAB for compulsory cuts also includes material which portrays children in a sexualised or abusive context. Whilst the Board understanRAB that these images are intended to make a political point, that does not remove the genuine harm risks to which they give rise."
 
I don't think frightfest would have booked the Serbian Film if they thought it was going to be rejected by the bbfc. Admittedly I've not seen it, nor do I have any real desire to see it, but I suspect it'll get a UK release in some form or other.
 
No, I'm referring to films which, when they are listed in the press, thave the title of the film and then the classification in brackets. Except that sometimes they have "NC" in brackets instead. Like I said, I always assumed that this referred to films which had not been classified by the BBFC. Sometimes you can find films listed at art house cinemas without a BBFC classification and if you put the title into the BBFC search engine it doesn't find them.
 
"Shit" has been acceptable in PG films for as along as i remember, all the way back to Jurrasic Park at the very least.

Never did me any harm. I had parents who made sure i knew that it wasn't appropriate to use such a word - well at that age anway. Certainly not sure now :D
 
Actually, I have only ever seen the first 10 minutes and the last 40 minutes of Hard Target, but what I saw was relatively bloodless and could probably pass in a 12. I shouldn't expect the 40 minutes I didn't see would be any stronger that what I did see.

And regarding The Lovely Bones, the cornfield scene is blatantly a rip-off of the one in the 18-rated Casino. Like Hard Target, I haven't seen all of Casino, but what I have seen I think deserves an 18.
 
The BBFC would never downgrade a film without the film company paying them to reclassify it.

And ratings will always be changing if a film is quite old.

X rated films from the 50's and 60's appear on daytime tv and most would get a PG or 12 these days .
 
Actually, they DO tell you on the packaging if the certificate has been raised due to the additional material. 'I, Robot' is rated 15 on DVD, but on the back of the case it states next to the certificate box "Overall certificate raised to 15 due to additional material being classified as higher than the main feature, rated 12". Stupidly, the reason for the raised certificate is actually a trailer for 24 Season 3.

The same goes for the DVD of 'Family Guy Presents: Blu Harvest' which is rated 15 due to some of the extras, the main feature is only a 12.

If this little note isn't present on the box, then it means that the certificate has been raised due to additional material in the film (e.g. 'The Hangover' on Blu Ray is fully uncut and rated 18, as opposed to the 15 rating of the theatrical version and DVD version).
 
I didn't think the actual violence in 'The Lovely Bones' was really that strong, most of it hapened off screen and was set up by suggestive scenes. That said, It should have definitely been a 15, but i'd say that it's due to the pschological horror, mature subject matter and themes of child murder/rape by a paedophile that raises it above a 12 rating.

It's not really a film that a 12 year old would probably want to watch either imo, nor would i feel comfortable taking a child to see it. Also, I think it would have actually fared better at the box office if it had received a 15 rating as people who are into serious thrillers might have taken it more seriously. I know some people that saw the 12 rating and were instantly put off seeing it (daft reason, i know).
 
Utter guff. I'm so tired of the BBFC claiming imitation or titillation factors as reasons to cut 18 rated films. Imitation should not be considered an issue at this age rating and funnily enough, anyone sick enough to consider the cut scenes 'titillating' can probably find a lot worse out there than in a indie horror using fake images...

I'd also like to know why A Serbian Film can be shown uncut at all other festivals but Fright Fest? Why does that even come under BBFC regulations since adults are paying to see a particular film knowing exactly what they're going to get? It's not like it's being shown at a regular multiplex with unsuspecting customers buying tickets...
 
I actually got a European release (Dutch, I think) of Murder-Set-Pieces. It's definitely uncut, as it has the rape scenes and the child murder in it.

I got the Region 1 Baise-Moi DVD not so long ago, from Amazon. I was going to buy the UK DVD, until I realised it was cut by a few seconRAB.
 
None of the Carry on films were ever an 18 or an X. They were always the A certificate - todays PG.

When Carry On England came out it had some saucier jokes than usual and there was blatant topless nudity so it was classified as a AA - todays 15.

After barely a week Rank took the film back and recut it to get the A certificate so some lines were cut and the topless women were reduced to a very brief shot .

The current dvd has both versions although I've never seen the AA version on tv.

After that the Carry on Films lost their way and they didn't seem to care and Carry On Emmanuelle was always going to get a 15(AA) and it remains that way today.

I always wondered how on earth Carry On Loving ever got away with an A.

Interestingly the BBFC website claims that Loving, Again Doctor and Up the Khyber were passed with cuts for the cinema but gives no details

Joan Sims does relate the problems they had on Cowboy about cuts on the 40th Anniversary documentary but I've not hear details of cuts to the other films

Some films that got X certificates in the 50's and 60's are shown on daytime tv today
 
When MSP was banned by the BBFC I ordered it the next day .
At that time it appeared that the Dutch dvd was the R rated version which is why I hunted down the US disc with directors intro etc.

This was quite some time ago.
Does yours have Directors Cut on it anywhere?

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=8696

The DC includes commentary

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/murder-set-pieces-2004-movie-review/

The cover at the bottom of the very negative review is the one I have.

I wonder if the films withdrawal was because of the 9/11 footage
 
I know that. I'm saying the BBFC don't explain the reason for their change of heart. Which makes me believe each film is rated by one person's opinion only and it's then up for it to be re-reviewed *by request* before it could be considered the original rating is wrong. Surely the system should be more robust than that?
 
Yeah. Ever seen Mrs Doubtfire? The PG version of that film has several uses of "shit" and "b*stard".

"Shit" really isn't that bad. The only word that seems to elevate a film from a PG to a 12 is "f*ck".
 
But not always? There was no mention on the rental disc for Doghouse, for instance (bumped from 15 to 18 for extras). And if included, small print is no good when there's a ugly big logo stating the disc as '18' on the front...
 
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