Blog Talkback: What's Wrong with Disney Feature Animation? - Parts 1 and 2

I find Box Office Mojo a little confusing on that, but The Little Mermaid's total gross during its release was $84.3 million, making it #13 for movies released in 1989. It's important to note that the first Batman and the third Indiana Jones movie were released in the same year, which kind of skews that whole chart, but I'm going to go back slightly on my earlier agreement with Old Guy and say The Little Mermaid was a box office hit. Maybe not a blockbuster, but certainly successful and popular enough. If you believe this dollar calculator, that comes out to about $151.89 million in 2010 dollars, which would have made it a moderate hit for 2009 releases.



If a movie actually cost $100 trillion ($100,000 million) and only made $140 million at the box office, it WOULD be a huge failure because it would have lost a colossal amount of money. Your point is well taken (as long as you drop a few zeros from your budget :)), but like any business, bigger profit margins are better. A movie that costs $100M and makes $105M is not going to be viewed as favorably as a movie that cost $40M and makes $45M, simply because the latter has a much more favorable return on investment. It ties up a lot less money (it ain't easy to get funding to the tune of $100M, especially these days) and gives you more back for each dollar you spend. This is one reason why Robert Rodriguez continues to work in Hollywood, even though he's only got the Spy Kids movies as moderate blockbusters in his body of work. He consistently turns in movies on time and under budget and more have made back their budget than less.

While I generally agree that Hollywood has become far too enamored of the blockbuster, it's important to remember that it is a business run by largely public companies who have shareholders to answer to. The point I make in part 2 about Disney's conversion from a media company to a merchandising company strikes at the heart of that. If Disney sad, "We're abandoning or reducing the Princesses marketing franchise so we can focus on making better movies," the major shareholders would turn out the board of directors and the entire senior executive team in a heartbeat.

EDIT: And there I go again, getting beaten to the punch for looking up references...



That's kind of the point of that section of the article. Disney Princesses is a merchandising phenomenon, but it doesn't sell movies. It sells bedsheets, notebooks, dolls, clothing for the dolls, and (I believe) DVDs. It fundamentally didn't help the box office because the audience has been trained to think of Princesses as merchandise, not movies.

In some ways, this might also mean that the relatively disappointing box office for P&tF is irrelevant if it means they can sell more Disney Princess merchandise. Cars is the other example of a movie that did moderately well at the box office but was a total merchandising phenomenon (and which I believe was the movie we were arguing about in that other thread ;)).


I'm just going by the article I linked to, which states that Ariel is their perennial favorite.
 
I never said that the Little Mermaid flopped. I said that it didn't set the box office on fire and that's true. #13 is good, but it's not something you brag about.



lol. Yes, it was.
 
I do know lots of familes (both in real-life and on the internet) that never go to the movies, they just wait for the DVD. Also I know that if I had a child that couldn't sit still through a movie, I would just buy the DVD for them.
 
Out of curiosity, was the Little Mermaid this hyped up before its release in 1989?

My problem with P&thF is that there is too much pressure on this likeable, formulatic little film to be this amazing, animated blockbuster insta -classic. You can make money back, but you can't control reception. Only time will tell.

The thing is, it really isn't over for PthF in the money category, so i'm not upset. Didn't it come out on DVD like a week ago?
 
That makes me wonder if 'The Dark Knight' would've made as much money as the original 'Batman' movie if ticket prices remained the same as they did back in 89, or if more people could afford to go see 'The Dark Knight' in '89 ticket prices.Thanks. I know i tend to exaggerate things, but at least my point came through. ;)
It's almost as if Disney is becoming more like the toy companies where the toy based cartoons of the 80's originated from, and at one time, Disney never wanted to become like those toy companies, and was more interested in making movies first.
Maybe Taylor Lautner should fire his agent. Plus i doubt Stretch Armstrong would be more, uh how should i put it, 'fantastic' if he had three super powered allies at his side. :p
 
My family usually does that. We don't bother seeing movies in the theater unless it's something we're particularly excited about. I haven't been to a movie since Clone Wars in '08.

That said, we rented Princess and the Frog last night. It was okay. Pretty much your standard, run-of-the-mill Disney movie. I can see why it didn't do well, as it was fairly dull and predictable. My four-year-old sister was initially excited, but lost interest about halfway through. And she's in the target audience, so...
 
As far as Little Mermaid is concerned, I think there's a big difference between Disney doing a princess movie now and a them doing a princess movie then. Back in 1989 Disney didn't have this billion dollar a year Princess franchise that they were bleeding dry with DVDs, dolls, girly accessories and theme park attractions. There wasn't a stigma about "Princess films" the way there is now. It's shoved in people's faces now. It's played out. And it has developed this "girls only" reputation. I can totally see why Disney would fear releasing another movie that - at least on the outside - seems too girly.

Additionally, and as others have said, Disney theatrical films are not events anymore. That torch has been passed to Pixar completely. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King...these were all event films. Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt...not so much.
 
Yeah, I share the same sentiments toward the film as well. It seems like the future of Disney was riding completely on the performance of Princess and the frog, yet nothing about this film made me think it looked unique or make me want to go to theater's to see it. It felt like a safety net film rather than the insta-classics Disney was known for in the early 90s.
 
Its not Disney's fault for Patf, personally its just the people who are seeing movies these days and the days when the movies are coming out. That being said then done, Disney should at least realize by now that if you keep repeating yourself in anything your just gonna lose an audience. Now I admit that there were a few good things about Patf but I was in the 50/50 range of the film. Personally it was just the timing with release dates of the ahem "Competition" with the other movies.

If Disney would allow PG13 animated under the touchstone banner then they would probably be in business. But chances of Touchstone opening its own animation studio are not likely on the cards.
 
Why are the Disney not doing well at the box office? Because Disney's marketing people are a bunch ofidiots.

Most of the reason why the films are not doing well is because of the moronic decisions being made by the marketing department.

Treasure Planet and Home on the Range were barely promoted. MARKETING FAIL.

Bolt went up against Twilight. MARKETING FAIL. Princess and the Frog went up against Avatar and it was released on a weekend where everyone was doing their Christmas shopping. MARKETING FAIL.

Bad marketing, among other things (high ticket prices etc.), is one of the main reasons these last few films have done less-then-stellar.
 
I was thinking about the Disney Channel stars while reading the sections on Disney Princess line. The combination of hyping up the Disney Princess toyline and the Disney Channel stars have given Disney more of a girl vibe for the past few years. Obviously, I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I am a girl after all and appealing to the girl demographic has worked well for Disney and a variety of other corporations/companies. It just might not be enough to cause a film to do incredibly well.

I didn't see The Princess and the Frog in theaters. I was considering it, but I didn't feel like seeing a movie in theaters during December. Though, it looked like a fun movies from trailers and reviews. I thought that the main problem was the time they released the film. For the first week or two, there wasn't a lot of competition for the movie, but then Avatar came out. There was also Bolt getting a release near Twilight, which was most likely a big factor in how well it did.

I thought that the two part article was an interesting read. I didn't think of how successful the toy line for Disney Princesses were or the negative image Disney has due to its movies during the late 90s and early 00s. While I didn't think that the 2D animation was a factor, I have often thought if it has become outdated like black and white animation, at least in terms of movies in theaters.
 
I actually did see Princess and the Frog in theaters during my winter break from college, went to a morning matinee for it, the price was cheap, I had nothing better to do after visiting my college to take the second chance for my Math class, and I loved the film. I thought that the story, the art, the music, and all that were nice. Since I don't think I cared for a Disney Animated Feature since Lilo and Stitch, which is still one of my favorite Disney Movies.

But as for it underperforming, I do agree with Ed's write up that the whole "Tiana is a Disney Princess, therefore boys are turned off by it." I think when I went there, I didn't notice a single boy under my age there, since there were actually a few kids in the theater I went to.

As for the race thing, I never really cared if Tiana was black or not, she could have been blue like a Na'vi and I still would have seen Princess and the Frog. But I can understand why some people wouldn't want to see it on the grounds that Tiana is black.
 
I meant to see Princess and the Frog in theaters, but nobody would go with me, and I don't like to go alone :/ I have bought it on Blu-Ray, though, and I'll be watching it soon.
 
I think it probably was a mistake putting the word princess in the title. A heroine's name is one thing, a gender-specific franchise title is another. And that is another thing I see with the 2D revival- a new Princess movie and a new Pooh movie. Consumer Products has to be thrilled.

I do think Chipmunks had a more "his and hers" thing going that made it a preferable family outing, especially with tickets pushing past $10 nowadays (DVD really looks like a bargain). But I think PATF is doing amazing DVD business, with the Blu-Ray and combo pack sold out everywhere I've looked (checking Disney Store tomorrow)... the merchandise is doing well, and the film has a lot of elements that would work for Broadway (Kristin Chenoweth as Lottie, anyone?)
 
I often wondered why Touchstone hasn't opened it's own animation studio, or distributed anime that's more gutsy than Miyazaki's films. They could offer more mature animation while Disney stays in their 'comfort zone'.It would be nice if Disney figured out how to appeal to the young male demographic, but they haven't quite found a formula that currently works, and they've forgotten how they use to do it in the past. The way they've been hyping the 'Princess' line, and the 'Disney Channel' stars has chased me away from Disney in the last few years. :sad:
 
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