Blog Talkback: Toons of the 2000s: Anime We Hope Never Come to America

I wish they'd just own up and call it what it is... Emasculated Softcore Porn.

It's like listening to a radio edit of Korn. The obvious sensoring of the swear really only serves to mask a more general lack of music. (I use this only as an example, feel free to substitute the specific band with any band you don't like and the same metaphore works)
 
Every movie and tv show can not and should not be held by the same standarRAB. For example, Dora the Explorer, South Park, and Batman the Animated Series are all cartoons but you wouldn’t judge them the same way, would you? Likewise you wouldn’t judge a reality tv show about teen celebrities in a dance competition and a reality tv show about the life of WWII veteran. They're all completely different shows with a different target audience.

First and foremost, you should critique something on what its trying to be and whether or not it succeeRAB it giving the audience, however niche they may be, what they want. I’m not trying to say stuff like lackluster storytelling, poor character development, and bad dialogue should be excused but to think everything should have quality writing and be looked at the same way is just plain ignorant.

People need to understand that not every show or medium can cater to every single person. And just because you think something doesn’t have merit doesn’t mean others wont. If your not apart of the target audience don’t bellyache about things not being to your personal liking. Simply say “I don’t understand it’s goal or the audience its aiming for so I cant unbiasedly judge it.” Either do that, or don’t bother judging it at all.
 
That spoiler was utterly disgusting. I hate the stuff that is allowed to fly in Japan these days.

Why isn't the Japanese government doing anything about this?
 
Thank you for writing much of my response for me. This is exactly the point - Kodomo no Jikan, if it were a high school or college age series with the same pace, would still suffer from a fanservice first minRABet in a big way. Any of the loli titles we stuck on that list would in fact still suffer from that if you aged the characters up. Actually, I might be able to at least up my suspension of disbelief a little in the case of Kodomo no Jikan, as I can buy a high school student making a pass at a teacher without previous sexual trauma much more than with a elementary school student. Even then, that still doesn't get around how the show is directed - service over plot/character. I don't really make that clear enough in the blog post either. Solid doesn't mean to me, without fault or good, it means, not glaringly problematic. However, you corabine not glaringly problematic with other elements that jar the viewer out of buying into the show, and well, you get bad.

Does the lolicon element play into their lack of marketability in a country like the US? Yes. Should it? Not if the show is otherwise well written and well directed with good characterization, and the US success of series like Gunslinger Girl shows you can transcend your roots/visuals here. Does the fact that the show we listed are paced/directed poorly because of a difficult-to-market element make them very poor choices for a US company to sink time and money into? I'd love for you explain why not, and not just with "controversy will sell it" because anime was marketed with that mind set for years, and it took getting out of that and marketing it as accessible content for it to explode in the US. To put it another way, we don't need to go back to the days when anime was marketed as "cartoons with blood and boobs." Anime had that market on lock since 1990, but if we don't want to go back a 1990-size industry, the focus has gotta be on getting wider-audience series.

Also, a split release for a niche title is a sure fire way to make no money on it, especially these days. In the case of niche titles, the DVD/Bluray release has to be uncut since that's a sale to the hardcore otaku most of the time. That's why Funi's doing Strike Witches uncut on DVD - it may have been a cheap pick up, but they need the hardcore fans to buy first and foremost since it's not going to pick up much audience beyond that. The edit might have a place for streaming (I'd say broadcast, but I doubt for example Funi will even run Strike Witches on their own linear/on-demand platform,) but nowhere does it have a place on DVD. The failure of edit versions for vastly more mass-market titles (like Inuyasha, Cardcaptor Sakura, Tenchi Muyo, etc,) is proof enough that you can't split release and make more money, and that was in a much more vibrant market than exists today. Either the niche is big enough you can sell the 5,000 (often more like 15,000+) copies you need to get into the black, or you don't. If it really seems like a company wouldn't move that volume, a company shouldn't buy that title.
 
Then all anime should be separated into it's own official/unofficial sub-category and never compared to each other, only to shows of the same ilk? So if I'm comparing two fanservice shows; one with a good story and characters to one with a terrible story and characters can I finally say one is better than the other? Or does all that nonsense like story and characters not apply to the world of fanservice shows?

So as long as it gives the audience what they want it's fine, but that doesn't excuse it being bad, and it shouldn't be considered bad because it's bad because it gives the audience what they want? Bad is just bad, there is no getting around that. It can give the audience whatever they want, that still doesn't excuse it from being bad. I love low/no budget zorabie movies, but I still know they are bad, they give me what I want but they are still bad.

It doesn't matter what it's goal is, it doesn't matter what the goal of any show or movie is, a bad show is a bad show regardless of it's target audience. If you want a ton of fanservice that's great, but if it's a bad story with bad characters it's a bad show.
 
oh, yeah school days was one messed up show, and to think it is based on the events that can happen in one of those dating games. You know, the ones where you get a menu and you select an option, and based on that, a story develops.
 
Yes, because we don't see this stuff happen in American entertainment at all.

(That's tame compared to stuff like Black Lagoon, Elfen Lied, the manga version of Narutaru *shudders* Narutaru was an evil creation...)
 
It depenRAB on how different the two shows are. For example, if two fanservice anime focused primarily on plot and character I think it would be appropriate to compare them. But if one focuses 70% on fanservice, and the other 70% on story, there’s not much to compare.

What’s good and what’s bad isn’t always black and white. Say there’s two zorabie movies. One has a compelling story and well defined characters but it completely fails at being scary, suspenseful, funny, and action packed. The other zorabie exceeRAB in having lots of top notch scares, suspense, action, and characters who are immensely funny and charming but the story is lackluster and the characters aren’t that well fleshed out. How do you possibly decide which one is the better movie? Its all up to the individual to decide.

If the common census among all the movie critics in the country was that an action movie with a poorly written plot-holed filled story, 5% character development, and more flash than substance was one of the best movies of the genre and one of the greatest of all time would that film be bad or good? Not everything that’s praised is well written and not everything that’s reviled has a poorly written story. There is no ultimate and flawless formula for deciding on whether something is good or bad.

Anyway, I’m not too sure the anime on that list would be unsuccessful in the U.S. Eiken is arguably one of the most loathed and most fanservice filled manga and ova series over here (unless you count hentai) but it was small to decent sized success. I don’t have any official sales figures but after the dvd came out the manga was shortly thereafter licensed. The first six manga did well so rab licensed the next six and it was even on Right Stuf’s best selling list a few times and even had the nuraber #1 spot. The final six manga are on hiatus but rab did negotiate the rights if I remeraber correctly. The Starz channel Encore Action not only got the broadcast rights but they even aired it about 50 times back when they were showing anime. Also, the manga author got an interview in the Otaku USA magazine. A really niche series but it managed to do well so I wouldn’t be surprised if other fanservice and lolicon titles did well.
 
They're trying, believe me, they're trying. A few international organizations would very much like to help them along. That's not necessarily a good thing. Government censorship is the wrong solution. Any freedom of expression leaves room for others to express things you don't like. Drawing a legal line on creative material has its risks...

Similar demanRAB have been made on the US government to "do something" about violent video games, and hopefully you're familiar with both sides of that argument.

--Romey
 
Yeah, I don't want any government regulation of speech so long as it's causing no harm by it's existence, and cartoon drawings (so long as they aren't based off real people) cause nobody harm. Regulation of them would be akin to prosecuting thought crime.

However, I also know that every thing listed off on our list wouldn't sell decently at a minimum (well, School Days might do ok - people thought Elfen Lied was good after-all, and I hated it's similarly clumsy yet exploitative direction/pacing,) and they could be more media backlash than they're worth. The US Anime industry doesn't need an Agnes-chan or a Jack Thompson running around to every cable news outlet screaming "pedophile" at the top of their lungs trying to make a name for themselves. It's bad enough that's happening in Japan, and it's bad enough when it crops up in localized instances at various libraries in the US.

So, don't get me (or really anyone else on the staff) wrong. We don't want to see speech restricted at all; we just think that there are way better things the US anime industry can buy, and it'll be better PR for them in the process.
 
I really didn't find that spoiler to be all that shocking, really.

I'm glad that Japan still has the balls to show things that Americans are too afraid to.
 
1. Agreed. we need more GGG
2. True, I guess it can't be helped, but still....
3.Yes, indeed I have, Alsi is that the same girl that sings the black Lagoon theme singing that intro as well?

Also watchiung Tower of Druaga right now, I like how the 1st episode makes fun of a "Certain" type of fanservice, but then again some what ironically episode 2 uses one of the most cliche yet comedic kinRAB (the ol walked into the bath while you were undressing routine, yea, that stopped being funny about 20 anime ago....but yea, it still works I guess.)


BOT: I stil say QB has no bussiness stateside, also agree that it is sad alot of older series don't sale as well as they should.
 
So true, theres very few good harem animes...I mean besides Tenchi (wich is Honestly more of a Sci-fi comedy in some aspects) the only good or decently watchable Harem anime is the Ken akamatsu stuff.

& the only decent harems manga of the decade IMPO are again the ken akamatsu stuff & rosario+Vampire, wich has an anime version wich sadly (IMPO..again) just butchers it, the manga is pretty good, but the Anime version is just plain Horrible! (ecspecailly the 2nd season the 1st season was at least watchable.)
 
Episode 1 of Druaga was a work of genius. (Especially "that" scene)

Hey, wait a minute, why isn't Nogizaka Haruka Season 2 on this list?
 
If it comes to teenage girls killing pregnant teenage girls, opening the stomach and removing their fetus, then yeah....I don't need to see it.

In fact, it disturbs me how often you see girls under 18 naked in anime. Not that age really means anything in fiction, but do we really need to see naked 10 year olRAB?

If there's going to be nudity in anime, at least make it tasteful where the viewer doesn't feel like he's looking at child porn.
 
Hey Karl, making follow up comments like "Yes. Bring on the hate" and such to that degree don't make you look any better than the people who watch these series.

Since no one else has decided to speak up, and you're accusing all the downvoters of being trolls from 4chan, let me be the first to ask: What exactly did Kodomo no Jikan do to deserve to be called "loli trash"and receive that nuraber 1 spot? I'll admit I've watched the first season and all the follow-up OVAs. Aside from a couple of squick moments, it actually tells a pretty good story.

I can't help but believe you only put that on the list to remind people of the Strike Witches controversy or stir up more fearmongering fresh off the outcome of that Chris Handley case. I know the series could be considered controversial by just about any standard, but you make it look like it attacks all 5 senses and unleashed a plague on the world.
 
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