Okay yes they are loud, but let me say that the Thunder Monster baffles are a must and I mean a must if you run these pipes. They are less than a hundred bucks shipped and take about 30 minutes to install, very easy. The TM baffles keep them loud but make the tone a lot deeper, which creates more sound carry. It is not a high pitch that will hurt your ears. They are very impressive and if you run this setup with the Big Radius and Thunder Monsters, you will be thanking me later and wondering what took you so long to do it. As far as the sound of the Big Radius, yes with stock baffles, they sound the same on my bike as they did on my buddies Street Bob. I know what you mean about lowering the bike to cover up the ugly rear axle. That is why I lowered the rear with he Progressive 430 11.5" shocks, which are 1.5" shorter. It did the trick. I get complements all the time and with those pipes and baffles I am constantly getting asked if I am running high compression heads and if it has been bored out and if I have upgraded my cams. I say nope, it's just the Big Radius with Thunder Monster baffles.