Hi, I want to give a bb to my gf for christmas, but i dont know much about them. One thing needed is a nice agenda, cause she uses that alot ( not like the one on the iphone). She liked the look of the palm pre, but you can't unlock them it seems..so that's about it... any opinions are welcome.
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best blackberry?
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MyGunMelts
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I would also recommend the BlackBerry Bold 9700. In my opinion it is the best one because of its features. It is also the newest released BlackBerry.
a_little_help_here
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It really depends on what carrier this is for. Not all models are available on all carriers. You mention unlock, so I am assuming that she is on some sort of a GSM carrier? You don't have a location listed, so I cannot guess at which one, but more information would help us to better help you.
inoffensive nickname
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well i live in montreal and she has a fido simcard...since only the pearl i think is avaible with fido ill have to unlock.
Lovely_Latifiyya
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also, is it possible to unlock the palm pre to work with a fido simcard?
well she's a very organized person, so things like agenda as to be top-notch..I don't know much about her preferences in a phone tough, except that she liked the way te palm pre looked lol..but it seems pretty hard to obtain one that is GSM unlock so i'll probably go with the bb bold 9700..
WinterSilence
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If the agenda is really important to her, with any BB be prepared to go 3rd party. Depending on which part is most important.
I went to BB from Palm a year ago and was amazed at how bad the Berry To-Do management is. Calendar and Contacts seemed ok, but I live & die by my To-Do List.
I finally went with Pocket Informant, syncing Outlook on my desktp with the native Berry PIM (Calendar/Contact/To-Do) and Pocket Infomant the automatically syncing to the Berry PIM. Pocket Informant works great for what I want, and with my Storm has a great user interface, is fast, easy to use, very flexible etc. I looked at a lot of other alternatives though, like Agendus e-Mobile Planner, ToDoMatrix, etc. Overall a very personal decision. And some sync through the Berry PIM as I described, while others sync direct to Outlook on the desktop or have their own desktop client.
At least there's a lot of choice.
- R.
I went to BB from Palm a year ago and was amazed at how bad the Berry To-Do management is. Calendar and Contacts seemed ok, but I live & die by my To-Do List.
I finally went with Pocket Informant, syncing Outlook on my desktp with the native Berry PIM (Calendar/Contact/To-Do) and Pocket Infomant the automatically syncing to the Berry PIM. Pocket Informant works great for what I want, and with my Storm has a great user interface, is fast, easy to use, very flexible etc. I looked at a lot of other alternatives though, like Agendus e-Mobile Planner, ToDoMatrix, etc. Overall a very personal decision. And some sync through the Berry PIM as I described, while others sync direct to Outlook on the desktop or have their own desktop client.
At least there's a lot of choice.
- R.
Nicki :] ox
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Oh, one thing she needs to be very aware of if organization is important to her. No matter what the model, Berries are known for deleting user data without warning. It seems that when free memory gets too low, Berries free up memory by deleting "old" emails, Call Logs, SMS logs, and Calendar entries. I've experienced it myself with Calendar entries (lost literally 10+ years worth) and it's a very common issue. No word from RIM on whether they intend to do anything about it, and nothing specific on what the free memory needs to be above - I've read 400K, 12MB and 15MB.
Isn't it nice that the RIM engineers are so smart they can tell you when you no longer need your data?
Be careful out there - R.
Isn't it nice that the RIM engineers are so smart they can tell you when you no longer need your data?
Be careful out there - R.
As with anything, keeping 10+ years of information of anything, without making a backup of any sort, and keeping this on your mobile device, has disaster written all over it. While there have been memory issues in the past, the newer BlackBerry devices are coming with more internal memory, more than enough to handle calendars, to do lists, apps, etc. One way to ensure that you don't lose important stuff, is to delete stuff that you don't need, like call logs, text messages, junk mail, etc. It is just like a computer, you don't keep unnecessary junk on it, so why would you on your phone?
1) My Palm never, ever, had any issue keeping all my history on it
2) The Berry Desktop Manager gives you the option to keep your Calendar entries "Forever"
'nuff said.
If anything else applies it is RIM's responsibility to warn users their data is in jeopardy. What the parameters are and how to handle the situation. And ideally to do so in advance of purchase, or within enough time to allow users to return the device.
Users shouldn't have to squirrel around in a (relatively) obscure internet user forum to discover their data is at risk because of a deliberate design decision. And then find out it's a well known issue with no, repeat no, official statement from the manufacturer of the device on how to deal with it.
Sorry, I can see no possible way RIM deserves to get out of this one. And I'd bet if it were Microsoft (or Apple) you'd agree with me.
- R.
PS - My Storm is less than a year old. I think that qualifies it as a "newer" Blackberry, yet it has this problem.
PPS - I define what is "unnecessary" user data within the advertised capabilities of the device I'm using. The design engineers shouldn't get to decide what portions of my data are "old" and worthy of deletion - at least, not without warning me so I can decide what to do about it.
2) The Berry Desktop Manager gives you the option to keep your Calendar entries "Forever"
'nuff said.
If anything else applies it is RIM's responsibility to warn users their data is in jeopardy. What the parameters are and how to handle the situation. And ideally to do so in advance of purchase, or within enough time to allow users to return the device.
Users shouldn't have to squirrel around in a (relatively) obscure internet user forum to discover their data is at risk because of a deliberate design decision. And then find out it's a well known issue with no, repeat no, official statement from the manufacturer of the device on how to deal with it.
Sorry, I can see no possible way RIM deserves to get out of this one. And I'd bet if it were Microsoft (or Apple) you'd agree with me.
- R.
PS - My Storm is less than a year old. I think that qualifies it as a "newer" Blackberry, yet it has this problem.
PPS - I define what is "unnecessary" user data within the advertised capabilities of the device I'm using. The design engineers shouldn't get to decide what portions of my data are "old" and worthy of deletion - at least, not without warning me so I can decide what to do about it.
As with any device, making backups is a necessity to keep important information. You don't just use your computer and store all of your information on there, only to get the BSOD one day, and find out that you have lost everything. Does Microsoft tell you that with the purchase of every new PC? Of course not.
I learned that you need to make a copy of anything important that you keep on an electronic device, as it may fail at one point. The BlackBerry is no exception. 10+ years of calendar entries is more information than what these devices are designed to hold. There is a limit, as with just about all electronic devices.
I am in no way defending the techniques used by RIM and how they handle stored information on the device. IMHO, keeping a huge call log is not a necessity. If you are keeping the numbers, you should enter those into the device ASAP, to prevent a potential loss of any important numbers or information. The same with SMS/email/etc. If it is important, you need to make a copy or backup of it, just in case.
I learned that you need to make a copy of anything important that you keep on an electronic device, as it may fail at one point. The BlackBerry is no exception. 10+ years of calendar entries is more information than what these devices are designed to hold. There is a limit, as with just about all electronic devices.
I am in no way defending the techniques used by RIM and how they handle stored information on the device. IMHO, keeping a huge call log is not a necessity. If you are keeping the numbers, you should enter those into the device ASAP, to prevent a potential loss of any important numbers or information. The same with SMS/email/etc. If it is important, you need to make a copy or backup of it, just in case.
sk8boardb0i
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Telus tech support just confirmed this is a memory issue. First saw it 2 years ago when the Pearl came out and people started storing pictures on device memory. No response or info from RIM on what the memory level needs to drop to to trigger deletion of user data. My Calendar at 591K is deemed "big" but that is purely subjective - no specifics are available on what is "normal" or allowable. Oh, and my Calendar currently only includes entrie back to Aug 11/07 - if I restore from my oldest backup I'll have entries back to Dec 2005, and I have no idea how much that will increase the Calendar size.
Issue is no one knows how the device memory is partitioned - Storm has 1GB, Storm 2 has 2GB, but unless partition is proportionately resized on Storm 2 (or greater than proportionately resized) there is no guarantee the problem won't occur on the Storm 2. And regardless of how much the memory is increased, unless the programming on the device is changed or the memory size increased absolutely hugely, sooner or later the memory will drop to the point where user data is deleted. No idea how phones with less than 1GB memory are handling this.
The only real fix is to switch from BIS to BES so that the Calendar data you read on your phone is actually stored on the BES server, not the phone.
So we have a fundamental flaw in the Berry OS that has been known about for 2 years with absolutely no information released by RIM. And no warning being provided to consumers. Nice attitude!
- R.
Issue is no one knows how the device memory is partitioned - Storm has 1GB, Storm 2 has 2GB, but unless partition is proportionately resized on Storm 2 (or greater than proportionately resized) there is no guarantee the problem won't occur on the Storm 2. And regardless of how much the memory is increased, unless the programming on the device is changed or the memory size increased absolutely hugely, sooner or later the memory will drop to the point where user data is deleted. No idea how phones with less than 1GB memory are handling this.
The only real fix is to switch from BIS to BES so that the Calendar data you read on your phone is actually stored on the BES server, not the phone.
So we have a fundamental flaw in the Berry OS that has been known about for 2 years with absolutely no information released by RIM. And no warning being provided to consumers. Nice attitude!
- R.