Best Avantgarde Metal Band

Yes it's old man time again, but CELTIC FROST-INTO THE PANDEMONIUM is generally classed as the first Avant Garde metal album. Touching on electronica, classical and world music. This album was'nt well recieved on release, as CF were one of the early fore runners in thrash and euro death metal. Nevertheless I have always loved this album, and cannot stress how radical this was when it was released.

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Ok ok, assuming !T.O.O.H.! aren't avantgarde metal, then Gorguts probably win get the nod pour moi. And that wouldn't happen to be Helen from Sound Dev would it? ;)
 
Well in this specific case thats how it seemed to me what you were saying. Someone said they thought this particular band were avant garde you were quick to dismiss it and say that they are 'Tech metal'. Now I assume only having limited knowledge about metal sub genres myself , that would mean this band play technical metal ,which is why I asked it it was not possible for a metal band that are technical to play avant garde material and be considered both.
Not trying to start an arguement with you or anything , it just there are so many genre arguements on this forum and something i've noticed about them is nobody seems to be willing to admit that a band may have more than one aspect to their sound and seem quite happy to place them all in one box. I just wanted to see what your reasoning about it rather than just dismissing out of hand , because avant grade in any artform isn't the sort of thing you can box up into one thing.
 
It is certainly possible, I would say that Gorguts is a Technical/Avant Garde Metal band for their extreme experimentation and unusual guitar techniques which I would certainly call Avant Garde alone if they didn't use Guitars, Extreme Metal Drum techniques, and Death Growls in which that also makes them Technical Death Metal. That type of genre mixing is quite common and certainly can accept it when presented with it.

In the case of !T.O.O.H.!, I don't hear anything in their music that tells me they are Avant Garde. The riRAB, drumming techniques, baselines are all technical death metal styled. The only thing that might separated them from the rest is their general creative approach to their music (how the solos are handled, song structure) and their unique vocalist but in the end that holRAB little weight, and most certainly not enough to call them Avant Garde Metal.
 
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