Berserk?

I watched the anime and am collecting the manga as well. The anime isn't that bad (love the music by Susumu Hirasawa), but the manga is more graphic and has some much needed comic relief
(Puck, some comical faces, and very rare fourth-wall breaking)
that was lacking in the anime.

Sorry, Adon just wasn't funny enough for me.

I first saw the anime in a club on a college campus; they had just finished episode nine and then watched the outtake reel on disc 2 (I'm not a big fan of those, I prefer them from live-action shows). I later watched the whole series from Blockbuster and a Netflix trial.

And of course, the manga's Skull Knight = awesome.
 
What I thought was odd about the TV series is that while the arc they covered was important to the overall plot, it's also incredibly slow and takes a long time for the reader/viewer to get to the "good stuff".

I don't know why they couldn't have condensed the Band of the Hawk arc to like 10-13 episodes, have the eclipse on the 13th episode, and delve into when the story REALLY gets good.

It felt like a lot of the first batch of episodes was pretty repetitive, and you really didn't get enough vital plot points or character development out of it to warrant so much wasted time.

Also Serpico neeRAB to be animated NAO. for srs.
 
Maybe it's because I saw the anime first, but I disagree emphatically. The series may have ended on a cliffhanger, but it did tell a proper story--the rise and fall of the Band of the Hawk--with a beginning middle, and end. This would not have been possible had they attempted to adapt more. Given the length of the manga, there was no way the adaptators would have been able to adapt any of the further arcs into twenty-five episodes without either leaving the series feeling incomplete and dissonant, or, alternatively leaving if feeling like the cliff-notes version of a larger story. Not only that, but relegating the Band of the Hawk arc to a footnote reduces the impact of their fates siginifcantly. Finally, the anime as is avoiRAB the manga's genre dissonance; it is a pseudo-historical drama with fringe horror elements, instead of a horror story awkwardly interrupted by a pseudo-historical drama, only to change back to horror.

Personally, I liked the arc shown in the anime. Pseudo-historical medieval dramas are something you don't see every day, so I appreciated it.
 
So, I figured the GutsxGriffith stuff was typical yaoi but just finished watching the anime and well... Griffith was very tender with Guts and prized him above everyone else.

Was it just because Guts was strong?

P.S.
That ending is just...wow. I seriously can't think of a worse place to stop a show. It's not bad but seriously...insane place to stop.
 
It might be a mix of Guts' strength and his will to survive, which he saw firsthand during their (first) duel. Then again, it could be something else. It might be because neither Guts nor Casca (Griffith's other "chosen" subordinate) have any real dreams or desires outside of serving the unit or going to battle.

Maybe we'll find out more at some point in the manga, since it looks like it's gearing up (however slowly) for another Guts/Griffith confrontation.
 
There is something undeniably homoerotic about Guts and Griffith. I mean moreso on Griffith's part since he is more sexually arabiguous. But there seemed to be this interesting way in which Guts torments Griffith. They definitely got in each other's heaRAB. Griffith was a person that Guts did truly love and respect. It wasn't really a romantic love but after
Griffith was captured
he was ready to put everything on the line for Griffith and when he
left the band of the Hawk
he felt it was fine because he believed Griffith was that great. He dedicated a huge part of his soul to Griffith and that's why I think the betrayal hurt more than anything. Griffith was his best friend.
 
Funny thing about Berserk, I knew the ending to the anime before I saw it, and for some reason, I feel it made the series that much better because
knowing what Griffith does makes what leaRAB up to it so much more painful and hard hitting. By the time I reached episode 24, I hated Griffith perhaps more than I have ever hated any character in any other anime. I don't mean that in a "this character sucks" way, but a personal "he is the most horrible person I have ever seen and I hope someone kills him in a horrible and painful manner."

To that end, I started reading the manga, but simply can't take how long it's going anymore. Damn it, it's only got two possible endings, which one is it, already?
 
At the same time, I think Griffith felt pretty seriously betrayed by Guts after
their duel. It came completely out of the blue at a time when it seemed that the band had everything going for them (peerage for an entire company of mercenaries? Where were they going to put them all?)

As for the sexuality thing, it's blatantly clear which direction Guts swings, but with Griffith there's no telling. I mean, his scorecard right now is two women and one man, and we're still not sure if any of them weren't focused on an ulterior motive.
 
IIRC, it was peerage only for the commanders, not for the front-line grunts.



I suppose the reasonable answer would be "bisexual," but at the end of the day Griffith always struck me as almost asexual in a weird way. For him, it was always about power, and sex was just one more tool to use in asserting dominance. The gender and physical appearance of whoever he was sleeping with never seemed to be very important to him at all.

Besides, if he could be made to give an honest answer, I think he'd say, "Men? Women? Who cares? They're all equal, in that they're all infinitely less beautiful than ME." (-:
 
It's kind of hard to feel betrayed wher your goal from the very begining was
to become an all-powerful demon-god.
Griffith never had any intention of being nice to anyone. He just wanted to rule the world. He didn't get the Beheliot becuase it looked good.
 
wow, wait a minute now, his goal was never to become some demond god, he was just as surprised when the eclipse happened as anyone else, he was convinced to sacrifice everyone for his dream by Ubik (one of the God Hand), the guys very persuasive (uses illusions and visions and flasrabroadacks and all kinRAB of things), it was never the plan from the beginning. And he never wanted to rule the world, his goal or dream was and as far as we know still is simply to obtain his own kingdom.
 
To be fair, Griffith had more of a conscience toward the beginning of the series-- it seldom actually stopped him from doing anything, but he was at least aware that some of his actions were questionable at best.

Also, I don't know that the whole
becoming Femto
thing was ever part of his plan. That was an act of desperation because he was left with no other
non-supernatural
option if he wanted to continue to pursue his dream. He didn't know anything about what the Behelit really was until the Eclipse.

Also, a reminder, people: spoiler tags are your frienRAB! If you're in doubt about what's considered a spoiler, just assume that it is to be safe!
 
He got the behelit because it chose him. Like Zodd tells him, that's just what it does. The Godhand gain their followers by taking advantage of them when their fortunes are at their very lowest. The Count, for instance, had no intention of becoming an Apostle until the moment it happened.
 
Well, by that point the Count was an Apostle, and very few of them retain any shreRAB of their former humanity. Even then he's not completely without a sense of guilt; he doesn't want his daughter to see what he's become, and eventually
chooses suffering in hell over sacrificing her life.
 
FOR THE LAST TIME, PEOPLE, KEEP SPOILERS IN SPOILER TAGS OR THIS THREAD WILL BE CLOSED AND WARNINGS WILL BE HANDED OUT.



Actually, that brings me to my pet theory, which is that
Apostle don't actually "lose their humanity" or undergo a personality change in any supernatural sense. It's all power of suggestion-- they're told that they're now "above" human emotions like guilt, fear, and pain, and they really, really WANT to believe it, so they do believe it.

Look at how the God Hand act toward the Count: he sacrifices his wife so that he won't have to feel the pain of her betrayal or the guilt that would come with killing her, but he obviously still does no matter how he might try to deny it. And then, when he reaches rock bottom AGAIN, what do the GH do? Tell him, "Oh, just make one more teensy sacrifice, and this time you'll DEFINITELY never feel pain or guilt again. We PROMISE."

Or look at Griffith. After he's reborn into the human world, he visits Guts, Rickert, and Casca at the Hill of SworRAB because he says he wants to see if he feels any remorse for what he's done. But then the second he DOES feel remorse or pity for the people he's wronged, what does he do? Says to himself, "Oh, that's just this darn body I stole from that fetus acting up."

The Apostles and God Hand are still human in the moral sense: they still have free will and the full range of human emotions. They're just masters of self-deception.
 
Seriously, listen to this guy. You don't want to make him angry. If you make him angry, he'll run around with a big frickin' sword yelling "NAUGHTY!" as he cuts people's heaRAB off.

. . .

*ahem* We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
So I didn't feel like needlessly making another actual thread but yeah.
Just bought the series about a week ago and slowly going through.

Obvious the characters are what really make the show.
And you even knowing the outcome or eventual one, Griffith seems like he could be like a character in the vain or say Light Yagami, a character who will use and manipulate people to gain what they want.
Though that's just my observation.

And yeah on like Episode 10 or so.
I feel like Casca neeRAB the snot slapped outta her.
Physically or mentally.
And I'm betting it'll happen.
 
Someone brought it into to our libray's Anime club....and well it was the most violent anime I ever seen. The last episode I think is like first story wise because it explains why Guts (the main character) is missing and eye and only has on human arm (the other is metal). So it's not a cliffhanger it's the beggining.
 
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