Before Sunrise/ Before Sunset

A friend of mine watched BS/BS two days ago, presumably because I kept going on and on about the films, and because I had put Julie Delpy on my own 50 Most Beautiful People list. (Yeah, I made my own list, b/c I'm a geek. :lol: ) This friend is in her early 20's, so I was curious about what she would think. She loved Before Sunrise, but expressed disappointment that, in Before Sunset, Jesse and Celine didn't kiss and that the ending didn't have a clear resolution. I thought it was funny, b/c those two things are part of why I loved the film! They don't kiss, and most of their interaction is just talking--but it's sexier than most movies I've seen. But what I appreciate most is that Before Sunrise/Sunset are as much about celebrating life, regrets and recognizing missed opportunities as they are a mere love story.

Judy :cat:
 
I wanted to watch Before Sunset, but I didn't watch Before Sunrise so I kept procastinating. Should I still watch Before Sunset, since I haven't watched the first?

It's cool though that it's co-written by them :) why is it that Julie Delpy made Celine so different from her ordinary self, but Ethan Hawke made it so similiar? Does anyone know why?
 
I haven't seen the movie yet, in Italy is coming out in november, can't wait until november, anyway i love the trailer, i watch almost two times everyday, i love the part when Celine and Jesse are on the restaurant and she ask him "Do you look any different"? " I do" and then Jesse "I have to see you naked", fantastic!!!
 
Thanks for that postcard and info, Mukooh :)

I just wanted to add another reason why I like both of these films and why they have such a huge following is because a lot of times, films, both mainstream and indie, try and be "intellectual" and have the characters talk about "life"... But all it is are discussions of pop-culture references and they substitute that for "growing up" and characterization a lot of times.

I think the fact Before Sunrise and Before Sunset discuss very real and surprisingly universal topics that are relevant not just to Jesse and Celine's generation (Gen X), but everyone as they mature is what appeals to a lot of people on a lot of different levels and something a lot of film makers could take a cue from if they are intent on making generation-specific movies that supposedly make "statements" about a particular group. It's surprising how many other film makers don't understand this, but insist they do... But this is why no other film series has gained such a cult-following as BS and BSunset in my opinion if we are going to get right down to it.
 
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hi....i saw 'waking life' when it was first released in a theater.....'waking life' was filmed in live action then animated with a mac computer......the film is about the meaning, perception, and reality of human existence.....it's reallly a good film......and if you love animation, as much as i do, then you might like it...
....the scene between jesse and celine in 'waking life' was taken from 'before sunrise' because it fits so well into 'waking life'....i can't remember the scene that well because it's been years since i've seen either film...but as i remeber it their talking about getting older and looking back on their lives and wondering if i was worth livinging...if it had meaning....

below is a movie picture postcard i picked up at the theater, when i saw it, that shows the scene were talking about....enjoy....:)....

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btw it's great to see that more and more people are starting to see this film now since it's release on dvd.....


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There has been no official word on a third installment...

But if there is I think it should be another 10 years or so -- in real time -- Because I think the next chapter, assuming they end up together at the end of Before Sunset, would be they are married and have kids and are in their 40s, yet they still have doubts about themselves and everything else (parenthood; lost opportunities; etc.) because this would be a natural progression of how real people evaluate their lives as they get older. They regret certain aspects, but geneally are happy they have a loving family and it is then all about their children and their children's futures as corny and mushy as this sounds.

I don't think we should see another one in less than 10 years for precisely these reasons because then it brings the series full circle if they rediscover each other again... Even though they have physically found each other and are together.

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I definitely think the Before Sunrise/Before Sunset series is all about where you are in your life when you watch either movie.

If you are in your 20s, Before Sunrise is going to be the more relevant film. If you are in your 30s, Before Sunset is going to ring more true and that is what I love about the films. They literally have more relevance the older you get which most films never do. This is why I hope they do a third one when they are in their 40s because for people like myself and other GenX/Yers it will be nice to have a series which accurately reflects the realities (within reason) of some of the issues most people face as they mature and grow older with time.
 
So I just saw Before Sunset, and :sigh, I'm so in love.

I saw Before Sunrise quite a few months ago and loved it, but with so many great reviews, I had stupidly high expectations, so even though I enjoyed it immensely, I didn't feel 'WOW', which was a shame for me.

I finally got around to seeing Before Sunset today and I watched it straight after a second viewing of Before Sunrise and I'm probably in the minority but I liked it more than the first. There was something just so beautiful and sad about revisiting something/someone who meant so much to you years later, filled with regrets. They are both so much more cynical now, so much less hopeful and living in a life that maybe isn't completely satisfying for them, but its their life that they cannot escape. I just found it so utterly beautiful and it really touched me.

I have so much appreciation for these 2 films its almost ridiculous :P. But watching it back to back, its amazing seeing how they've transformed and still seeing how much chemistry they have, its like no time has passed. Maybe they're soulmates and its sad thinking that realistically they probably can't ever be together.
 
yeah there was a cameo of Jesse/Ethan and Celine/Julie in Waking Life, but it was too short, lol!
 
Hi USM, I love your avatar. :)

Hollywood seems to either sugar coat things, or over dramatize. Even Garden State (which you mentioned in the other Before Sunset thread)--it was slick, and I liked the movie a lot, the performances, Natalie Portman's in particular. But for me it seemed like it was trying to say something about a generation, more than it actually DID. And the ending was, unfortunately, contrived.

I love that even though it looks like Jesse and Celine will take a chance at a relationship, they have to deal with some messy issues (Jesse's wife and son, Celine's photographer boyfriend, where to live, etc.)

I didn't realize that Ethan and Julie are dating IRL. That's so cool. Jesse and Celine aside, they seem like a great match, a meeting of minds. In a way, I am afraid of another movie b/c Before Sunset was so incredible. But people thought the same thing after watching the first movie, and the sequel exceeded expectations.

Have you seen Waking Life? I haven't but apparently they have a cameo in that film.

BTW, here is a link to a press conference they did (it's in Windows Media, I think). A reporter even asks him about Uma.

http://62.153.249.21/Ondemand/berlinale04/pk-rt/pk_en/WM/300k/20042762_pk_en_300.wmv.asx

Judy :cat:
 
Wow, I didn't know there was a thread for both movies! They're one of my all-time favourites! :sigh:

I absolutely loved the storyline, the way they casually met and the way they developed feelings for each other. Everything about it is amazing.
 
Hey, I'm new here. I do love this film... is so hear-touching, so sensitive without being boring or to cheesy lol. The script is wonderful, real, the type of conversation you could hear someone to have in the metro or in a bar.
I would like if there were a third film. Do you know if there are any plans to do it?
 
What is really cool that I forgot to mention in my initial review...

Is both Julie Delpy and Ethan Hawk co-wrote the movie with Richard Linklater.

These three are listed as screenwriters which is why I think the dialogue comes off so natural and not forced in any of the (brief) discussions they have in this film.

The other thing that I thought was interesting is that on the DVD there is a featurette on the making of Before Sunset and all three of them give their takes on doing a sequel and some of the things that went into the writing and rehersals prior to shooting.

Ethan had always wanted to do a follow up to Before Sunrise as did Julie Delpy and Richard Linklter had actually envisioned a series of movies that chronicled the couples trials and tribulations as a couple as they mature from young and idealistic to more mature and cynical over the years, but always the two of them staying together.

Julie Delpy purposefully made (wrote) Celine the exact opposite of her personality in real life whereas Ethan made Jesse almost autobiographical... And I think the contrast works perfectly given the context of the chararacters and the things the actors have been through like Ethan really going through a divorce from wife Uma Thurman and having kids of his own.

This kind of authenticity shows through the characters and I think it is a true testament to the art of storytelling in that this film is only 80 minutes long and that is exactly how much time Jessie says he has to see Celine before he has to get on a plane back to the U.S. There is a real sense of time and urgency and why I think this movie is just the right length given the subject matter.
 
goodnightboy - Oh, me too. I hope they get together in the end. But I do wonder if actually being together will kill some of the passion they have. Isn't it a part of it not knowing, the longing, the what ifs, the maybes... I think they're both in love with their affair, I'm not sure if they would be willing to move on forever, or settle down with each other.

..Or maybe they do know and its us, the audience, who needs the what ifs. But with the two of them, I would love it either way. However, there's a tragedy to their affair. They lost 10 years. In those 10 years they could've found out if they were meant to be, or just lucky they once had this beautiful relationship appear out of nowhere and change their lives for the better. As we left them the last time, they were no closer to answer. I kind of love it. :D

life_style - I think we love the movies because they're magical. It's just such a lovely concept of two strangers connecting this way. :sigh: I must rewatch the first one, soon. I don't recall the song they listened to. :(
 
You know it's not actually a gurantee that Jesse missed his flight - it's not said explicitly, and it's funny because I used to hate the ending for its abruptness, but then I realised it's so open ended - therefore your conclusions show whether you're a cynic or a romantic - and if you think about it, the whole show has been about real lives, so the ending kind of fits, like how in real life things are often ambigious and open ended. If you get what I mean.

As for me I think Jesse stays, he misses his flight, and I see him breaking up with his wife and being with Celine. I'm a romantic, I know :lol: but the thing is, it's not a fairytale ending either, because (if this is true) he'd be getting a divorce, the kid suffers a broken home - it's not all "rainbows and butterflies" (yes, that song from Maroon 5, it just came into my head, I don't know why).

Yes, I loved Celine's breakdown, too, because if being 30 something is about growing up, of sorts, from the idealism of your 20's, maturing - then of course there would be experiences, worries, like the ones that she had. Not that I'd really know because I'm 19 this year, but I suppose that's what it is. :lol: And really, all of us have our insecurities about love and life - her breakdown, like the rest of the film, are things we can relate to. And yes, other films try to emulate it, but they fail. Before Sunrise/Sunset, though, succeeds magnificently :)
 
I have no idea how to make animated icons. I'm actually new to icon making (about two weeks now), but hopefully I'll eventually know how to make them. Why?
 
OMG, I can't believe there is a thread for this movie. I saw "Before Sunrise" on video when I was 17. I really recommend seeing the new one in the theatre. I'm glad I live in Chicago, where it's playing at a lot of theatres.

I agree the ending was mind blowing. I loved it. I left the theatre floating.
 
:sigh: Lonely Smile those icons are lovely. Do you happen to make animated icons? :innocent:
 
There is also another Before Sunset thread here for the DVD release as well.

I too love this film *cough, avatar, cough* ;) for precisely the same reasons you mentioned above about how real these characters are and that what they discuss are REAL issues that people in their 20s and 30s experience. No other film(s) have ever been this "real" -- And probably why Hollywood never makes them because they figure no one wants to go to a movie about "real life" -- But that is what makes these films have such a devoted following.

I hope they do a third one just to finish out the trilogy. Especially, since Ethan and Julie are now dating in real life and Ethan is divorced from Uma Thurman and has kids. Talk about life imitating art and vice versa...
 
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