Avatar and Xiaolin Showdown

I'm sorry to hear that and I hope that situation has been solved. To be honest, I think that your tone in your counter points is cooperative/nice.



Ah, being able to harness their elements on their own makes sense. I could only remember the characters doing that through Shen Gong Wu. I did remember that the elemental Shen Gong Wu gave them a power boost. Although, it still feels pretty different from the moon and Sozin's comet. Those power boosts came from parts of nature, while the characters in Xiaolin Showdown had to use different objects, thus not from nature, in order to enhance their powers. I do recall Omi trying to keep the group together, but I'm not sure if that's a strong enough connection between him and Katara. Their relationship with the air/wind wielder of the group was also clearly different. Omi and Raimundo had a clearer friendship/bond over the course of the series than with the others, while Katara and Aang's relationship evolved from friendship to romance by the end of the series. That's a pretty huge difference to me.



I don't recall Clay being able to bend metal, but I'll take your word for it. Saying that both Toph and Clay do things that come off as odd to the rest of the group isn't much of a connection. There are plenty of characters in various series that behave oddly to the other characters.Plus, both characters have pretty different personalities and backgrounds.



I'm still not sure if I would describe Kimiko as technology skilled. I do remember a couple of occasions where her use of technology was helpful, such as sending a virus to Jack's computer when she was trapped so that she could escape to help her friends, but I really wouldn't put that on the same level of what the Fire Nation was doing in the series. They actually made advancements in technology by creating new and destructive weapons, which speaks to me a lot more than just using current technology to save the day.

While both Kimiko and Zuko had to deal with anger in order to grow, there's still plenty of differences between them. If I recall correctly, there wasn't a specific reason why Kimiko had such a temper problem. It was just a flaw in her personality. However, Zuko's rage was the result of being scarred and banished by his own father and out on a wild goose chase, until Aang woke up, for the Avatar for about two years. Zuko had much more development and attention to his anger, why it was there and how he should deal with it over the course of the series than I recall about Kimiko. Even though I don't recall the exact event leading up to that "Turf war" between the main characters and Wuya, I think that the desire to become the team leader and the desire to take over the world are extremely different forms of desire.



I don't know about that regarding the Air Nomad elders. Outside of Aang and arguably Monk Gyasto, we really didn't see much of the personalities from the Air Nomads. Saying that that had to be as carefree as Aang when they were his age comes off as a bit of a stretch to me. I mostly remember Raimundo taking charge near the end of the series, but like I said earlier, I haven't seen the series in quite some time.



He just came off as more annoying than loyal to me. Appa is Aang's animal guide and they both have a strong emotional connection between each other, as seen during a good portion of season two, and I never saw anything like that from Dojo. I vaguely recall his fight with the Sapphire Dragon, but I still remember being more annoyed with Dojo than anything else.



Azula just felt like a much more intimidating villain compared to those two. She was so cold and distant, yet was able to have two useful friends on her side up until Mai and Ty Lee decide to help Zuko, used both physical and psychological tactics in battle, especially with Zuko, and had a couple of significant victories during the second season. Wuya was an interesting villain up until after the first couple of episodes from season two. She just became more like a comic relief villain, especially when she was admiring Chase. I will admit that Chase was the coolest villain in Xiaolin Showdown, although I don't think that he had much competition in that department. Turning people into animals and being immortal were pretty cool, but I wouldn't say he was as intimidating as Azula.

Despite turning Chase evil, Hannibal just didn't come off as threatening. The fact that he's a small talking bean also doesn't help with me not taking him serious as a villain. Plus, I wouldn't put his actions on the same level of killing off the Airbenders, planning to do the same to the Earthbenders or destroying the whole world with Firebenders.



That still feels kind of a stretch to me. Sure, they're ancient masters, but they have pretty significant differences in their backgrounds, their connection to the main character and how often they play a role in the plot. I don't recall Dashi being that significant after they defeated Wuya, while Avatar Roku provided vital information for Aang throughout the series.



I personally don't see a lot of strong connections between the two series to say that they're similar. I also couldn't really see them working for a crossover, but that's just me. I'm actually only a moderator on the Cartoon Network board, so I can't really close this thread. It's out of my jurisdiction. I'm sorry if these replies are making you feel bad, but I just don't see a lot of striking similarities between these two series. The only examples you have provided are either vague enough to connect various shows together or are executed extremely differently in their respective series. With what I know from both series, they don't really have a lot in common.
 
Don't have much to add, but I did find it mildly amusing, that Kimiko's affinity for technology can be paralleled to the advanced miltary weapons of the FN. It's not so much a stretch, but more of an expansion. Keeping in mind that Kimiko was/is/never wasn't a hero yet in ATLA FIYER=BAHD ONOEZ, there is a glimmer of similar there. Kimmy was the only one to ever show any real technological prowess. My memory of XS is terrible, especially right now, but I think she may have even had a rivalry with Katnappe (this, of course, invokes that rule that says two females must instantly become bitter enemies). Kat was no techno-slouch, what with all the lock-picking and code-breaking her hobby required. Kimmy's electronic skills weren't a plot point, but they were present. Expound on that and turn it evil and voila, FNArmy.


Tch. Says you. :/
 
I don't know. Trying to connect Kimiko's uses of technology with the Fire Nation's advancement in weapons still feels like a stretch to me. She had the most access to technology compared to the other characters, possibly because of her father's work at a toy/video game factory, but I don't remember Kimiko creating new technology that actually advanced her society like the Fire Nation did with their weapons. That's the main reason why I don't think that they could be connected.



Considering that they kiss each other in the series finale and they have a son in the new spin-off series, as it was mentioned by the creators in an official interview and at Comic-Con, I think that it's pretty safe to say that it went from friendship to romance. Although there were hints of Aang liking Katara a bit before she showed romantic interest in him. Regardless, I also think that Aang's relationship with Katara is much different from Raimundo's relationship with Omi.
 
Of course it's a stretch, especially in the way you're thinking. It's already a stretch to equate a teenage girl to a giant nation with a powerful military. Think of this: Kimmy uses technology, and sometimes in a way that is productive to the team. Now imagine an entire country of Kimmys. Now make them all evil, and give them whatever materials they need to be that way. Does that help you see the parallel at all?


Are you sure about that?


Yeah, sure it went there. But you used the word "evolved," as if it had been a gradual and natural development. It was really just forced to that point in an unbelievable yet obligatory fashion.


Indeed. Not trying to argue with you here, since it would be quite weird if it wasn't...
 
I'm sorry, but it still doesn't work for me. Even with a country of evil Kimikos, they would be doing the opposite of what Kimiko was doing in the series, ie creating new technology to hurt people for their own selfish gain of world domination and/or winning the war. Whenever Kimiko used technology, it was usually helpful for her whole team and possibly the world. It still comes off to me as a fairly extreme difference rather than a parallel between the two series.



Since I've seen the finale, I'm pretty sure that they did share a kiss at the end. It looked like that to me.



Fair enough. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think that it felt forced. It didn't feel like a gradual development, but it did feel natural given the nature of the series and their close friendship during the intense events of the series.
 
Remember, tho, that Kimiko's team was of the Hero alliance. Had she been part of the villains, her tech would also have been evil. It's not fair to say that the Fire Nation was wholly evil, but it was rarely-if-ever shown in a positive light. Had the nation been good, their advanced tech probably could have been benevolent as well.


I saw the most recent showing of the finale as well but I really don't remember much. Mostly I remember Zuko wearing clothes three times his size, Sokka drawing a picture, and "The End" appearing in the sky. All I can recall of the final scene is Aang and Katara hugging.


I guess my main point was that Katara and Aang's relationship was just the token romance, and the series could have been better without it (I'm probably the worst person to police such things since I honestly feel the same way about Aang/Katara and Momo/Katara).
 
Kimiko would have used her knowledge of technology for evil purposes, but the main issue I have with putting it on the level of the Fire Nation's uses of technology stems from the fact that the Fire Nation's army made advancements in their weapons to win a war and kill off people. Even if Kimiko was turned evil, I just couldn't see her using technology in that same way. She would use her technology to rule the world, but I don't think that she was smart enough to create brand new technology/weapons and I couldn't see her wanting to kill off a large number of people like the Fire Nation's leader and army did. I didn't mean to imply that the Fire Nation was completely evil. I was mainly thinking of the people in the army and the Fire Lord for this case scenario.



Aang and Katara do hug, but like suss2it mentioned, they kissed after the hug.



It didn't feel that bad to me. They have a pretty close friendship during the series and it was pretty clear that even before the finale for season two that Aang had feelings for Katara, so it didn't feel forced to me. But that's just me and I respect your opinion on their relationship.
 
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