Are you voting for Obama just because you hate W?

it's funny how most idiots find people who talk about politics, the state of the economy, etc. intimidating and condescending

you don't like political people because people are FRIENDS with the people who are like them - since you clearly aren't a political person, i'd say you don't hang out in a political crowd and therefore haven't given an intellectual political crowd a realistic chance
 
from what i read, obama is planning on doing exactly what led us into the great depression when we had our last recession. Isn't it what Herbert Hoover did (I don't remember his name)?? He is proposing tax cuts for the very rich and tax breaks for the middle class isn't he?? Won't that just cause layoffs and increase of prices of goods and services. Won't companies outsource to places with cheaper taxes???

If im wrong, tell me. This is just what I keep hearing.
 
do people know there are more than two people running for president? Thats why this country is so fucked up. Vote for the person you like most not who you dislike least.
 
i just don't understand the hype with obama. if you don't like mccain, fine. but why obama? he hasn't done anything for Illinois. Him and Biden have less experience combined than Sara Palin, whom everyone is claiming to be inexperienced.

He's a great speaker and has a lot of celebrity endorsements. Without either of those, we would have never seen this much of the guy. And as cynical as it sounds, its also greatly due to him being black.


So please someone make me on Obama supporter. I would love to vote for him. All my favorite actors and musicians support him. I dont want to be lumped in with the Mccain supporters that are largely racist hicks. I am just a firm believer in thinking for myself and don't see anything in Obama besides a lot of charisma and endorsements.
 
by the way, this is an internet message board - quit being such a bitch and taking things so personally - a couple of the views i've changed over the years have been due to long drawn out discussions in the on-topic section of OT - people were assholes to me, but thats just because i was talking out of my ass about something i really didn't know about and once i came to the realization that their points were valid and i was just talking propaganda, i realized that i was acting like an idiot and they had every right to treat me like one

don't run away with your tail between your legs if you're actually looking to learn something just because you don't like the people you're asking - you are not going to find a more diverse message board if the internet is your main source

as i said, ask away but don't act surprised if you ask about something that can be easily found on google and i tell you just that rather than answering the question...we aren't here to hold peoples hands and make decisions for them, we're here to either insult or inform (at least in this forum)
 
fair enough, ill stay. i was taking things personally because i dont like being called an idiot for looking for information. i admitted to not knowing what im talking about.

When Obama talks about spreading the wealth and i hear people say that it is the foundation to communism, it does worry me. I have grown up to think that communism is bad, is it not? How is giving people hand outs going to be good for society overall?

And I still don't understand Obama's slogan of change. I realize Bush sucked, but I don't understand what he wants to change other than withdrawing from Iraq and put in national healthcare.

Again, im not arguing, i realize im dumb on the subject.
 
yes, communism is a failed system and will not work anywhere i can think of - especially america - there is a huge differene between socialism and communism though (feel free to look up the definitions) - both candidates hold socialist ideals (i.e. mccain being in favor of the patriot act while obama has stated that the government should have less power (although both voted for it as did most senators, this was largely due to an enormous document being shoved in their face on the day of the vote with hundreds of pages of revisions from what they had previously read) - also the patriot act has been something that they have been trying to get through since the mid 90s so it really has nothing to do with 9/11 as many would have you believe - you want to talk about socialism, lets talk about warrantly wiretaps, suspension of habeus corpus, etc. - with 6 of the last 8 years having FULL republican rule, socialism to some extent has existed far beyond "paying taxes" or "speed cameras" or other things that some may consider socialist

spreading the wealth involves giving tax breaks to small businesses that make under 250k per year IN PROFIT - this effects less than 5% of small businesses and in order for a business to turn that kind of profit, the owners are likely millionaires

one thing i've noticed in this election (of course this is just anecdotal from personal experience, but) i've noticed that all the wealthy people i know who made it on their own rather than being given a fortune, winning the lottery, etc. are much more charitable and i'd say a majority support obama - just look at hollywood as a key example - actors/actresses have to make it on their own in an incredibly competitive field yet they are overrun by democrats

look up socialism - obama isn't proposing turning our country into england and it takes more than slightly higher taxes on the top 1% to be "socialist" - travel to some places in europe to see true socialism (and guess what, pretty much everyone is happier - but i'm no fan of socialism - fuck the government being involved in my business)

the most idiotic thing you can do is start a war while lowering taxes - this just doesn't make sense - we cannot continue the trend of low taxes as great nations have crumbled, not because of their military, but because of their economy (i.e. soviet russia)

ok so i'm ranting a bit here - lets get back to the question - lets say a business does take in over 250k in profit per year and obama is elected - this business is most likely selling products to individuals making under 250k per year - under our current economy, businesses are struggling and people are finally realizing that they need to live within their means - if the working class were to receive a tax cut (because in all reality there is no more middle class, there used to be the upper middle class which has split into the upper class and the lower/middle class which is basically the same as the working class (and of course there will always be the poor)) - anyways, if the obama camp taxes fairly, these individuals will be able to buy more - it is somewhat of a trickle down effect which is often looked down upon, but when the economy is in such turmoil, we need to cut spending and bring in more tax $$ (which obama is trying to make a little more fairly)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

this is hardly socialism - also offering government healthcare is not socialism so long as it is not mandatory and there is no fine for people who choose to use a different insurance carrier (and obama has said this specifically in the last debate - despite how many times mccain brings up some tax on people who choose to use their own healthcare)

and none of these tax breaks come to people who don't have a job, btw



change is just another slogan - even mccain picked up on it for awhile - mccain is the maverick and the "straight talk express" even though he has changed his opinion far too many times for that to be true

these are just slogans...obama's idea of change is change from our current leadership - voting for mccain (who has admittedly voted with bush over 90% of the time - also admittedly more than most other republicans) wouldn't be much of a change from our current leadership - the slogan of change is more that we need a change in power, a change in policy, a change of how we're viewed around the world (which IS very important - anyone that says differently is a fucking idiot who likely doesn't travel and is usually the type of person who says "fuck france - french fries? fuck that - these are freedom fries" even though france is an ally, gave us the statue of liberty, and if you've ever been there, they like americans, they just dislike george bush (and they are in love with obama) - having world support is not only important in case of war, but also for people who enjoy travelling

but as i said, don't even bother looking at the tax proposals - the largest tax on the american people in the last 8 years has been the devaluation of the dollar - this seems directly proportional to how much gas costs (and guess what gets food/commodities to your grocery store? a truck paying up the ass prices for diesel which in the end ends up costing the consumer more)

ask away - i'm stoned and just rambling - pineapple purps ftmfw
 
Oh, and Mccain is far from perfect in my eyes as well. I hate how I have to choose between social liberal/fiscal liberal and social conservative/fiscal conservative. WHAT HAPPENED TO EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN???

CAPITAL LETTERS!
 
There are so many important things going on in the country right now, and so many issues more important than the gay and abortion issues. It cracks me up that people even mention this as reasons to vote for or against a candidate.
 
cool man thanks.
im still a little confused on where the extra tax money is coming from. you said businesses making less than 25k in profit get a tax break. So, where is the extra money coming from? Are the corporations making more than 25k in profit getting a tax hike?? Or are you saying the tax break for small businesses will allow them to produce cheaper goods which will cause people to buy more shit, and thus help the economy? Sorry if its a dumb question im tired.
 
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