Are you for or against the death penalty

Im totally against the Death Penalty. I believe that no matter how evil someone is, everyone has the right to live. Nobody deserves to die. I think it is sick and I don't think that it's right to take life away. You only get to live once, So i can't see why you should take life away as punishment. Its stupid and It's not fair. A murderer or someone like that should rot in jail for the rest of his/her life. That way they should feel guilty about what they have done. They should live with that guilt. What does killing that person achieve? That person will only suffer for a while then he's dead. Then he has no guilt or anything. What is the point in that?
 
The right still forgets that a blob of cells is not a human, while the convicted individual is.

And remember, there is never complete certainty within the justice system. A life sentence can be reversed if th convicted individual is later found innocent by new evidence. A death sentence, however, is irreversible.



The thing is, though, that the more severe the punishment is, the more criminals will resist the police. If a criminal knows that he will be killed for his crime, then he will see no reason why he should not fight to the death when the police come. Excessive punishment is just as crime-increasing as lenient punishment.
 
When was the last time VOR got anything right?
You know just as well as I do that he runs away from virtually every argument he cannot win with insults. Not to mention he lies like there is no tomorrow. His claims are so wrong it's disturbing. Not to mention he refuses to admit he was ever wrong on anything. I don't care, someone neeRAB to slap vor around until he realizes he can't keep spreading lies.
 
The death penelty system in the U.S. may be the best...all things considered.

I believe it takes an average of nearly twenty years from the time a scumbag is sentenced to death until the time the sentence is carried out with all the various legal appeals in most states. This gives more than enough time to rehash any issues that may subsequently surface regarding any particular case.

The convict gets all those years in the hell that is prison to reflect over and over again about the disgusting life they have led...and yet also think of their impending death for the terrible crimes they have committed.

Dead men never escape to re-offend.
 
Except it ain't a "baby" and "murder" cause you say so and the U.S. has a murder rate much higher than many countries without capital punishment.

That "kick" must have been to the head.
 
Why?

I don't care what you think about what I think about VOR.

Actually, if you want me to stop, stop his complusive lying and false information.
 
Typically I am against the death penalty. However the amount of criminals that are unable to be re introduced into society is staggering. If they confess AND there is a sufficient amount of evidence AND the crime is murder or child molestation in a high degree, then I could be for it.
 
Child Killers, Serial Killers, Terrorists and Traitors should be a capital offense. The rest should spend their life in prison.
 
In every town, city, county, state, and country, it is understood that murder is wrong and immoral. The state should not be allowed to carry out a crime that it punishes others for.

You'r right. Abortion has not place in this debate, but it is too hard to keep out. In relation to Abortion, the state would not be carrying out the procedure, an independent doctor would. abortion does not qualify as state murder like the death penalty.
 
Fine, but your arguements are becoming much weaker because of them. You are starting to look like a little baby. I don't mean to insult, however, that is what it looks like to me.
 
how do you compensate for being imprisoned? how can a man or woman who has adjusted to the prison system just all of a sudden become a useful member of society? won't that person want revenge at some time
 
I have two thoughts on this:

1) There is a differentiation between murder and punishment. Your sentence:
just does not stand. You have fallen prey to equivocation. You are changing the meaning of what the state is doing in order to prove your point.

2) I am against the death penalty. I do not believe that it is necessary and that it is actually barbaric. I do not think it is murder however. The difference is that I do not think it is criminal as it is certainly lawful. I do think that as a society we have much better methoRAB for dealing with recalcitrance.

If we are going to permanently remove someone from the planet, I am all for a penal colony on another planet :xangel:

just kidding (although who knows). While the expense is huge to keep people imprisoned for long times I think it would be much more profitable to put only the worst criminals in a prison and let those that are imprisoned for other things to remain on house arrest or other release options. Putting the enron guy in prison just does not make sense. A more suitable punishment would have been to put him on house arrest and to only travel to home and work and certain other functions as permitted through a parole officer and that 75% of his wages be garnished to pay back his victims. This kind of punishment would open up all kinRAB of possibilities for thoe who are truly dangerous.

Huckleberry
 
The question of the death penalty is a tricky issue. In my view, it all seems to come down to our view of justice and whether or not it should include in it a sense of state-sanctioned vengiance. I cannot help but admit that, if someone I loved were to be mercilessly killed, then I would probably have a strong emotional reaction to desire the death of the killer. I think that is true for most people. However, I find it very difficult to explain how that would be any different than a simple desire for vengiance. Can any of you who support the death penalty answer that question - i.e. How, specifically, would the desire for the death of a brutal murderer be any different from a simple desire for revenge?

Most of the time, one speaks of goals for a justice system to include:
1) Protection of the public from further violence: Incarceration (in some cases, without the possibility of parole) achieves this goal well.
2) Punishment: There seems to be two goals in this. One is to use punishment as a way of teaching the criminal to stop his criminal actions in order to change his ways. With the death penalty, this goal is irrelevant. The second goal of punishment seems to be to warn others not to commit such crimes. Hypothetically, fear of the death penalty could help prevent future crimes. However, I have heard that the statistics do not support the contention that the existence of the death penalty has dettered a significant number of crimes.
3) Rehabilitation: This is the goal to change the criminal into a potentially productive and safe citizen. Again, this is irrelevant if you are going to kill him.

So, the only reason I can really see why people support the death penalty is to have simple vengeance against the perpretrator. So that is the bottom line: If you think that vengeance should be part of the justice system, then you might feel justified in supporting the death penalty. If you don't feel comfortable with vengeance playing a role in the justice system, then you should rethink your support of the death penalty.
 
Murder is defined as such by a google search

*kill intentionally and with premeditation"
*unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being

Hopefully, by reading the first definition, you can understand how I came to this conclusion. Understandably, the second definition is a little more specific and redefines what the state is doing.

Regardless of the word that is used, One can see that the social and economic costs of capital punishment outweigh the payoff.
 
Unless the DR inmate kills a guard or another prisoner (as happens regularly).

This goal is also seldom achievable. We sit back in our armchairs and talk about criminals as if they can ALL be taught civility....ain't gonna happen.

...and I have heard that they do.

As stated above, this is an unreachable goal. Criminals train each other in prison. There's a difference between straightening out a barely wayward teenager and reversing the minRABet of a serial rapist.


It's not just vengeance. It's killing a cancer that eats on society. Get rid of the bastarRAB and they will never again hurt an innocent person. Let the bastarRAB live and they will strike again.
 
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