Are YOU an "animation snob"?

Good animation is nice, but it's really the writing that makes a show good for me. If the animation is really, really, really bad it'll detract from my enjoyment of the show, but if it's juts a bit below average, I won't mind.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think that's silly. I'm a huge "Disneyphile", but to stick to their corporation like glue and refuse to watch any others is... uncontemplatable. Espeically when you consider that the disney company is evil enough that it doesn't really deserve that loyalty.



I agree with this one-hundred percent. The animation in Sita Sings the Blues, for instance, is very stilted, but that doesn't stop it from being aestehtically beautiful.

Snob is such an ugly term, anyway; like "elitist", I don't think it's used properly very often.

(I was wondering when we'd see you in here, Kasey.:D)
 
I’ll admit it. I'm a snob. If the cartoon uses Flash or CGI animation I will be initially turned off but on occasion I’ll give certain shows a chance. A lot of the time I will become a fan of the series or wind up thinking “hey, this isn’t so bad after all!” Despite the majority of CGI and Flash shows not being half as bad I think they’ll be I still prefer 2D animation by leaps and bounds. My bias continues to cause me to dread any news of a cartoon using that type of animation (like the new TMNT series).

My biggest gripe is when toons (mostly anime) have limited animation budgets. I understand that not every animation company has tons of money to spend but I absolutely hate it when they uses short cuts. If its a non action cartoon I’ll sometimes let it slide but when it is, I feel like pulling my hair out. I cant count the number of times when I watched an anime with gorgeous looking character designs and backgrounds only to find out that the majority of the scenes are closeups of a character face or shots of the upper body with little actual movement going on. I also hate it when a show uses way too much reused animation or still shots.

Another gripe is action cartoons and anime with lackluster fight scenes. When you hear fight music come on and start to get pumped for an awesome battle only to find out that the characters are doing more talking than fighting, that’s the absolute worse.
 
I must admit I shy away from flash animation and CGI. Does that make me a snob probraly i'll leave that tyo you people.

I used to like CGI back when it used to not be so over used now its a fad thats done way to much. It used to be used becuase it worked with what the show was going for it. Now everyone wants to do CGI because Pixar and Shrek. For the most part stuff just looks genric and everything looks simular even art styles. I hated some of the character models looked in TMNT the human characters looked like every other CGI movie characters out there. I pray the human characters wont be that over stylized in the new CGI animated series.

I dont hate all CGI Beast Wars is still the single best Transformers series ever and is one of my all time favorite animated shows. It worked great in Reboot I mean what would you animate a show in that takes place inside a computer but CGI. Final Fantasy Advent Children dont care much for FF had no idea what the story was even about but it looked so awesome. MTV Spider-Man show was terrible but the animation was pretty good. I also really hope that Gatchaman movie gets made it looks pretty good as well. So I dont hate all CGI but because of the junk its put out I'm pretty iffy about it.

Flash animation I hate it and rarely find anything good about it. Sure sometimes the cheap look can help like the Adult Swim cartoons and gives it a charm but for the most part it just looks like there was no effort or money put into a show. Flash to me just works for short little internet cartoons and thats it. I just cant take a show seriously animated like that.
 
Which brings me to another bizarre point: I actually find Homestar Runner's aesthetic far more visually pleasing than the flash animation on TV. I think they actually benefit greatly from not relying on tweening and being animated on 2s. I won't call it the pinnacle of animation, but it looks decidedly more...natural.
 
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If I can't stand a show's art style, you're bloody right I'm not gonna watch it. Ugly stuff like Teen Titans, Transformers: Animated, Chowder, Flapjack, the list goes on and on. Some shows can redeem themselves with the writing, and I can make myself watch them; others, I can just listen to. And I refuse to look at any anime that hasn't been editted and dubbed (or as I call it 'suitably Americanized').

I tend to nitpick little things, mostly plot holes, but for me, that's part of the fun, like when someone doesn't use a pretty well-known ability in a pretty obvious situation.
 
Maybe they were more dynamic than current shows, but they're not exactly what I would call good either. They all look fairly mundane to me.

Some would, some wouldn't. In those cases, I say better writing would be the most important improvement they could use, but better animation wouldn't hurt either.

While that can be true, it doesn't really explain situations like how one guy on Newgrounds can make more appealing flash-animation by himself than an actual team of animators who are being paid. Or at least, make you wonder what that one person could do if they had some financial backing and a team to help him.

I never really get the whole 'lower your standards' thing. If some shows already prove what the medium is capable of, then there's no real excuse not to expect at least an attempt to live up to that level of quality from that point on.
 
Well, it's surely the best of your examples (I'm not sure why you're putting it on the same level as Dexter or Powerpuff Girls) but using a bunch of short clips with a grain filer isn't the best way to judge an entire show. Samurai Jack definitely has some above-average cinematography when it wants to, but it's also got other problems as well (like the art itself, the writing, and whenever they're not fighting and just standing still for a full minute at a time) It's not exactly at the top of the class.
 
Hmmm, thats what makes Samurai Jack so great. Unlike many other shows for its time, this so kinda took itself a little serious.
There's not many american animated show that do those type of things. There are some, but not a whole a lot.
Ok, I will agree the long 5 min doing nothing but staring gets annoying, and some of the art is meh. But in the most part, Samurai Jack with its art and story is one of the best series that CN ever came out of.

But, thats just me. :chowder:
 
I actually think that comedic artwork does get in the way, but only in action shows. Super Hero Squad for example (though it does have humorous moments) is an example of it NOT working, ditto Iron Man Armored Adventures (TF:Animated and Brave in the Bold at least do have some serious art design). However, it does work for stuff like Phineas and Ferb and the total drama shows since theyre comedies and the exagerrated artwork is part of the humor.
 
Flapjack is boring to me but Chowder is simply awful. It's character designs and voices give me a headache and they always have Chowder with his shirt off half the time with his weird and gross nipples. I cannot watch it for more than two seconds. I feel the same way about Ed, Edd and Eddy which unfortunately Cartoon Network has been rerunning like crazy.

I don't care if Pokemon has a plot because I cannot follow it. It's confusing and makes no sense.
 
Jack's simply the further evolution of the limited animation techniques still being perfected in those earlier shows. You said they were all mundane.

And why on earth are you bringing up the writing? This isn't a discussion of what shows are good and bad; we're strictly talking art/animation quality here.
 
Wait, you don't like Pokemon because you think the plot is confusing? The same Pokemon that has the little yellow mouse that goes "pika" and the guy in the red hat? That Pokemon?
 
Have you ever seen the South Park episode Chimpokemon? It's mostly ridiculous but it's completely spot-on about the adult reactions to the cartoon itself. EverybodytalksREALLYfast and you have to be familiar with the card and video games to make any sense of the various creatures or what their powers are and what their places in the various tournaments means. The show makes NO sense to adults and I was an adult when it first aired over here. I don't care how SIMPLE people who grew up with it claim it is, it's confusing as heck to normal adults.
 
Are you watching the same show I am?



Is the fact that Japanese children use to wander around the countryside of their neighborhoods (this mostly before Japan became industrialized around the 1970s) and collect and trade insects confusing and nonsensical to you?
 
Ok, here's the very basic thing you need to know about the Pokemon series:

Its about a boy thats living a world of monsters. He wants to catch them all and battle them. Why? Because its like a game.

Try to think of a little boy that catch bugs and wants to get them all and fight them with other bugs.
Its not like learning how to make a DNA.
I get it if you cought it in the middle of the series. But, in all, the show is very, very simple.
Watch the first 10 min of the first episode of pokemon. It explain everything.
 
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