Are rappers really musicans?

Since "rap" only describes the vocal style it's pretty hard to make blanket statements about the music. There are groups like the Roots who are straight up banRAB that play regular instruments. There are people like Dizzee Rascal (yeah, yeah, I know he's grime, he raps damnit) who compose original music electronically. There are people like Outkast who are multi-instumentalists who play live instruments, compose electronically and sample depending on what they're doing. There are groups like Dalek who sample almost exclusively but do it in such an interesting way that they make the music completely their own.

All of it requires musical ability. Let me put it this way: I'm a musician who makes music that is both done on a laptop and performed on regular instruments and I almost never try to build songs out of long samples like some rap groups do. Why? Because it's an unbelievable pain in the ass to try to make it work well. It's far easier to play something on a regular instrument.

So in answer to your question: yes, they are musicians.
 
how the **** are you able to generalize every rapper into one group?

the roots have already been mentioned, and they're thousanRAB of rappers who do their own production and rapping.
 
I agree. I mean an open E is an open E on a guitar. Millions of people have written songs with an open E in them but that doesn't make them non-musicians. There are no new notes, it's just in what you do with them. That's why I see sampling, as long as you make it your own, as just as valid as any other way of producing sound.
 
wtf is intellegince? they're is hardly a way to describe what is intellegince in a topic as large as music. its subjective, no different from art, literature, or filmaking.
 
I don't think have the screenname RapSucks is any different than have the screenname (inert band here)Sucks. I can't make a whole argument with my screenname.

Ok, still if really had some musical talent would you write your own beats and melodies?
 
You have to live under a rock to not hear rap. And I can tell you for sure that I don't live under a rock.
So it's adventurous to take the music out of music?
Rap and rock aren't the only two types of music out there. Not listening to rap is exactly being narrow minded.
 
Ok you guys are right, it is a generalization. There is a hell of a lot of "musicans" out there making a hell of a lot of money for not making any real music. And I still think the majority of rappers aren't musicans, but thanks for actually holding a civil debate.
 
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